PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

LeonardoDaVnci said:
Martin Samuel has given us a vision of what lies ahead for the PL. In time Richard Masters will be studied in Business schools along with Gerald Ratner, ie how the wrong person at the wrong time can single handedly destroy a multi billion pound business.

Can't stress this next point enough.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters approved the list of clubs given clearance to seek compensation from Everton.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters had instructed the IC hearing on the points deduction sanction to be used on Everton.

So he is now legally obliged to follow that process. So BEFORE our IC, what clubs have been given clearance to seek compensation from City, and what sanction has Masters asked for if we are found guilty of ANY number of the charges from 1 all the way to 115.

if the list of clubs is so numerous and the point deduction so excessive that the IC effectively represents an existential risk the club should seek an injunction at the High Court to stop what is already a polluted and prejudicial process. This should be resolved in a court of English Law where everyone included RIchard Masters will be forced to give evidence under oath. I can not believe our Legal advice is to pursue with kangaroo court when the owners face huge losses.
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This is what worries me.
We are sitting ducks and there doesn't seem to be a way out to a fair hearing, if going to court is not a path we can take.
 
Spili's City said:
I’m concerned too, I seriously doubt their independence. They will be pushed to hand out severe penalties even with the flimsiest of charges subjectively proven eg non cooperation
This is why I asked what recourse through the courts we have if any of the above happens. Or are we just a sitting duck ?
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I personally think what they're planning hasn't ever happened before (Bury were expelled but technically insolvent), uncharted territory with this PL power struggle.
 
wolviedinho said:
Very informative and balanced article. Martin writes what most of us think and feel about the situation. A lone voice drowned out by the ferocious click bait pack. At least we know it’s not always bias blue thinking on our part.

Wonder how many points Master the red has recommended the independent tribunal to hit City with? Greed and jealousy by the red clubs has destroyed the league. All because they fear competition. This is what happens when you hand over so much power to those clubs.
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Well he got his instructions when he went to be questioned by the red shite he probably bowed to them and licked there shoes something the option didn't want to do and turned it down! The league is corrupt because of the red shite and Levy the band leader
 
Martin Samuel. The only journalist with the guts to point out that so called “financial fair play” is unfair and designed to help the “elite” clubs.

Samuel could easily joint the pack that lesser “journalists” run with. Where no thought or bravery is shown but the same old tired articles brought out.

It would be easy for Samuel to pick on the clubs with the Middle East owners and ignore those “elite” teams as it pays to play to the masses.

At least one journalist dares to be different.
 
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LeonardoDaVnci said:
Martin Samuel has given us a vision of what lies ahead for the PL. In time Richard Masters will be studied in Business schools along with Gerald Ratner, ie how the wrong person at the wrong time can single handedly destroy a multi billion pound business.

Can't stress this next point enough.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters approved the list of clubs given clearance to seek compensation from Everton.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters had instructed the IC hearing on the points deduction sanction to be used on Everton.

So he is now legally obliged to follow that process. So BEFORE our IC, what clubs have been given clearance to seek compensation from City, and what sanction has Masters asked for if we are found guilty of ANY number of the charges from 1 all the way to 115.
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I'm not sure where you get all this information from, but from what I've read, the PL recommended a punishment of 6 points, plus one additional point for each £5m expenditure above the threshold. To me that should be 6 points for a failing of £0-£5m, 7 points for £5m-£10m, 8 points for £10m-£15m, 9 points for £15m-£20m. Everton failed by £19.5m, so that's a 9 point points deduction recommended by the PL, from my understanding.

It could be argued that failing by £0-£5m should invite an additional point deduction, and each other band increasing by a point, resulting in a 10 point recommendation for Everton. I have read that the PL has guidelines for P&S failures, but these guidelines are not published in the PL Handbook, and I haven't found them published elsewhere.

The commission decided against using the PL recommendation, but applied is own sanction, which happens to be very similar to the recommended sanction.

This is in Section 13 of the Everton judgment document.
 
homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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Brilliant article and good to see the article has been well received. It really is essential reading.
Or, if listening is your bag, you can hear him speak about many of the same points in the podcast last week.

Link here:
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PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

There will be all sorts of guesses at this but how long do you think the hearing will take once it actually sits? The PL team will have to present their evidence on a huge number of individual charges and then ours will offer our defence on each of them. The non cooperation charges could...
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Richard Masters’s allegations are of a criminal nature, the charges are crystal clear, falsified accounting and over stating revenues in a multi million pound business is NOT for an internal sporting committee to resolve. The accusations are also aimed at companies like Etihad Airways etc. Why the hell should they let their businesses be denigrated by the likes of Richard Masters and Daniel Levy. It should be heard in a court of Law. Reputational damage and the Streisand effect are hardly a concern for City now in the short term, our reputation has been annihilated. We need to fight back in a court of Law pdq. What are the down sides of that approach ? It’s escalating the whole thing but compared to what ? Richard Master’s kangaroo court. If it was me and I knew I was innocent I would want those criminal charges removed before discussing the length of the grass issues with Masters.
 
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homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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Just read it. A brilliant article, but extremely depressing. Why are other journalists so blind? He sounds like he’s genuinely mourning the loss of professional football as we know it.
 
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