PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I get that mate, and understand your position.

To be honest, I think most of the melodrama and accusations of being a wum are because I’m saying something those people don’t want to hear.

But that’s also clouding their perception of what I actually said - which is that the people I spoke to are confident and dismissed our position, but also that they didn’t know the final results of the judgement.

They could still lose from a position of confidence.

Like you say - they’ve definitely got previous.
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It’s got nothing to do with you not delivering a message people want, and you’ve been around enough long to know that. It’s also got nothing that do with you being an accomplished poster or having no prior for silliness.

You’ve dropped a post, that on the face of it, could be very significant. Then basically said not telling you owt else. Then switched from “very senior” PL figures to “quite senior”. Then there’s the element of these people deciding to share this with you, a person they don’t know very well, which strikes me as highly unlikely.

Some people will view that as having more holes in it than a rag back four, bollocks or wumming. It’s not melodrama, it’s reality.
 
The charges were brought in February 2023. Since then analysis has led us to feel quite confident that we know more or less what they are though some of the detail is a little unclear. As to the evidence brought forward by the PL and by the club we are completely and utterly in the dark.

What has heppened today is that someone who has posted on here for a period of 18 years has reported a conversation with two unnamed PL executives, a conversation which he found alarming, and which alarmed many on here. The reaction on here has been largely hostile, but attempts to discredit NvWF are insulting. What he said - ALL he said - is that these two executives were very confident that the PL would win its case and that City didn't have a leg to stand on. If this is evidence of anything it is evidence of the attitude of some PL executives. What it is not is evidence of City's innocence or guilt. It is not evidence that the commission need take account of, and NvWF did not say it was. So much of the analysis the post has been subjected to is perfectly valid, but it doesn't changeanything. We're still in the dark. When I read it I was alarmed, but I still have full confidence in the club, its owners and those who run it.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I get that mate, and understand your position.

To be honest, I think most of the melodrama and accusations of being a wum are because I’m saying something those people don’t want to hear.

But that’s also clouding their perception of what I actually said - which is that the people I spoke to are confident and dismissed our position, but also that they didn’t know the final results of the judgement.

They could still lose from a position of confidence.

Like you say - they’ve definitely got previous.
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For counter balance, I spoke to a quite senior BM poster, and he was very confident we would dry-bum the PL lot.

So there is that.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
They'd hardly say (certainly to a City fan) they were fucked, and only did it to embarrass City would they? Both sides will claim they're confident in the outcome.

The PL claimed they'd won the APT case, when they'd clearly lost it. UEFA were confident about the CAS appeal. Means nothing. The charges are baseless.
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And suddenly I feel okay again
 
Stoned Rose said:
It’s got nothing to do with you not delivering a message people want, and you’ve been around enough long to know that. It’s also got nothing that do with you being an accomplished poster or having no prior for silliness.

You’ve dropped a post, that on the face of it, could be very significant. Then basically said not telling you owt else. Then switched from “very senior” PL figures to “quite senior”. Then there’s the element of these people deciding to share this with you, a person they don’t know very well, which strikes me as highly unlikely.

Some people will view that as having more holes in it than a rag back four, bollocks or wumming. It’s not melodrama, it’s reality.
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You can view it however you like mate - that’s not my concern.

If you can’t see why I wouldn’t want to share any additional context or detail, because in my evaluation this would likely be personally and professionally compromising, just so I can get the OK from a poster that I have never even met that my experience has passed his personal bullshit test, then we’d best leave it there.

And if you hold the hopelessly simplistic view that all Execs hold themselves to the most impeccable standards of professional behaviour at all times, and never overstretch what they should or shouldn’t be saying after a couple of beers - then I doubt there’s anything I could say to convince you otherwise.

Even if I wanted to.

You think my post is attention-seeking mischief making.

I think your post is self-indulgent, naively simplistic melodrama.

I’ll leave you to it mate.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
You can view it however you like mate - that’s not my concern.

If you can’t see why I wouldn’t want to share any additional context or detail, because in my evaluation this would likely be personally and professionally compromising, just so I can get the OK from a poster that I have never even met that my experience has passed his personal bullshit test, then we’d best leave it there.

And if you hold the hopelessly simplistic view that all Execs hold themselves to the most impeccable standards of professional behaviour at all times, and never overstretch what they should or shouldn’t be saying after a couple of beers - then I doubt there’s anything I could say to convince you otherwise.

Even if I wanted to.

You think my post is attention-seeking mischief making.

I think your post is self-indulgent, naively simplistic melodrama.

I’ll leave you to it mate.
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Imagine if you’re right?


The most infamous ITK ever!


;-)
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I don’t disagree with any of that.

But it’s not really related to what I posted - which was about PL reps still pushing the position that City didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Like I said - this could absolutely be based on a lack of closeness to the mechanics of the case, and indicative of the general corporate perspective on it all. Nothing more.

But it was interesting to me as, if there is an assumption that the results have either dropped already to the relevant parties - or are about to drop - there was no sense of conciliation or acceptance of City’s position in the comments.
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If they believe City don't have a leg to stand on which to me is completely different level to being confident, then that would mean that the EPL having the smoking gun that CAS said was highly unlikely on the basis of probability and begs the question why has it taken the EPL so long to charge us ?
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.
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Excellent. I hate the positivity on here about our position. I prefer doom and gloom. That way if we're fucked over I'm in a position of 'meh, expected that'.

Good post lad.......from all the old school Blues who think we're getting relegated....
 
malg said:
Excellent. I hate the positivity on here about our position. I prefer doom and gloom. That way if we're fucked over I'm in a position of 'meh, expected that'.

Good post lad.......from all the old school Blues who think we're getting relegated....
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Superb!!

Enough of all this fucking backslapping and these ugly, undignified ‘positive vibes’.

Let’s get into the nuts of it - we’re fucked, and we might as well accept it now to salvage what little dignity we have left as a fanbase!
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I get that mate, and understand your position.

To be honest, I think most of the melodrama and accusations of being a wum are because I’m saying something those people don’t want to hear.

But that’s also clouding their perception of what I actually said - which is that the people I spoke to are confident and dismissed our position, but also that they didn’t know the final results of the judgement.

They could still lose from a position of confidence.

Like you say - they’ve definitely got previous.
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I think it's a natural reaction for people on here to be more critical of negative information. Similarly, it comes as no surprise there is confidence within both camps.

I have been involved with hearings before, but the context means it's probably not relevant. In my experience the hearing gives you a good insight into what the decision will be, but I've never had a KC express resounding confidence. It's not something they can ever do. The line of questioning gives you a good idea of how things are going, but again, you never know.

This is probably more complicated in that you have a panel. So you might convince one, or two but the other may provide compelling reasons why they are incorrect.

I personally cannot fathom how this would take so long. To set an agenda for the hearing they must have been through a lot of the evidence.

Who knows at this point!
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
The charges were brought in February 2023. Since then analysis has led us to feel quite confident that we know more or less what they are though some of the detail is a little unclear. As to the evidence brought forward by the PL and by the club we are completely and utterly in the dark.

What has heppened today is that someone who has posted on here for a period of 18 years has reported a conversation with two unnamed PL executives, a conversation which he found alarming, and which alarmed many on here. The reaction on here has been largely hostile, but attempts to discredit NvWF are insulting. What he said - ALL he said - is that these two executives were very confident that the PL would win its case and that City didn't have a leg to stand on. If this is evidence of anything it is evidence of the attitude of some PL executives. What it is not is evidence of City's innocence or guilt. It is not evidence that the commission need take account of, and NvWF did not say it was. So much of the analysis the post has been subjected to is perfectly valid, but it doesn't changeanything. We're still in the dark. When I read it I was alarmed, but I still have full confidence in the club, its owners and those who run it.
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I would presume that most City fans when speaking to senior members of the EPL would have a high degree of cynicism & wouldn't take their words at face value especially if they were connected to cartel clubs
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
No - I don’t like it much either mate.

Let’s hope they are guilty of a fatal over confidence based on the general levels of arrogance that most comments the PL has made on this matter have been characterised by.
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To be fair they, the Premier League, haven't got great form when taking clubs to the independent panel. So to be so bullish could be over confidence, it's also been said that City are also very confident.
 
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