PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Alan Harper's Tash said:
He hasn’t. He’s just extrapolated Everton getting a 10 point deduction for one charge to what we might get with 115 charges.

He’s playing along with the current narrative that suggests we’re being relegated to Scottish football. (Hyperbole noted)
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Forfar 4 Manchester City 115
 
halfcenturyup said:
This is true, but why the change in the treatment of pre-FFP wages?
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Cock up or conspiracy, it got the job done. And it meant City still believed in 2012-13 that they could escape sanction even though the 2011-12 accounts ensured they couldn’t. If we ever did stretch the rules it was during that period when every penny of sponsorship money they could raise might make the difference. But we were sanctioned anyway so for the Premier League to try to revisit this period and penalise us again is desperate in the extreme
 
Norbiton said:
Cock up or conspiracy, it got the job done.
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Yes, that was my point really. UEFA was determined to get City on FFP in 2014 even if it meant changing their rules at the last minute. My question was why would they want to do that? And I think the answer is concern over City opening up a "tap" of Abu Dhabi sponsorships, and making up the shortfall with two very convenient intangible asset sales. Both of which were addressed in the settlement, and both which could be described as accelerating income to which, maybe, Harris is referring. None of which is illegal or "fraudulent", by the way. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, I was just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. The ****.
 
One thing that seems to have gone completely under the radar is that half ay through the January transfer window i believe there have only been 2 sales, everything else has been loan deals or free transfers. I read that there was less than £50 million of sales so far.
Clubs are not able to spend and this will have a huge impact lower down the leagues, there are clubs who rely on sales of players in order to survive/

You can see a situation where these rules brought in to protect clubs actually send some to the wall.
 
Paladin said:
I'm not sure what you mean here. They investigated, and accused us of 115 infractions of PL rules. The whole matter is now being adjudicated by a commission. If the commission finds us guilty of some of the alleged offences, isn't that the time for the evidence to be passed on for additional criminal investigations?
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Swap what we've been 'accused' of for murder. Before any accusations or hearings, there must be a period of discovery to determine whether they believe we've a case to answer.

If what we're accused of amounts to us committing an actual crime, they should be alerting the authorities, not holding a hearing to determine our guilt, as per their rules before doing so.

This is where PL Rules meet UK Law. They're not one & the same.
 
abu13 said:
One thing that seems to have gone completely under the radar is that half ay through the January transfer window i believe there have only been 2 sales, everything else has been loan deals or free transfers. I read that there was less than £50 million of sales so far.
Clubs are not able to spend and this will have a huge impact lower down the leagues, there are clubs who rely on sales of players in order to survive/

You can see a situation where these rules brought in to protect clubs actually send some to the wall.
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Excellent point. I didn't want to like the comment because there isnt much to like in what you say, but I accept your point completely. What a shit-show.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
exactly this, there's also the opposite assumption that also benefits us. ie if it's not fraud then has to be a limitation of 6 years by UK law. It's either one or the other and you can't have both. Since no police investigation is happening then that implies limitation has to be applied and anything before the 2012 season can't be charged
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For anything tried in the Crown Court, there's no limitations. For magistrates & civil it's 6 years, for certain offences. For minor infractions, it's 6 months.

These trumped up, sensationalised bullshit accusations need consigning to the trash, if they don't meet the threshold to be tried criminally. It's time for the PL to put up or shut up.

Another left field option would be for City to call in the police, HMRC & SFO, alert them to the criminal fraud we're essentially being accused of & invite them to investigate, pending a defamation lawsuit. This move alone would chop the PL off at the knees.

Just imagine the headlines:

"At their own request, City cleared by the Police, HMRC, SFO & FCA of any criminal activity"

In the eyes of the sensible public, the PL's investigation into us would deflate quicker than a popped balloon.

This alone would expose the difference between their bullshit FFP/PSR designed to cripple our ability to compete with their paymasters, & the real world reality of us merely trying to sustainably grow our business.
 
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abu13 said:
One thing that seems to have gone completely under the radar is that half ay through the January transfer window i believe there have only been 2 sales, everything else has been loan deals or free transfers. I read that there was less than £50 million of sales so far.
Clubs are not able to spend and this will have a huge impact lower down the leagues, there are clubs who rely on sales of players in order to survive/

You can see a situation where these rules brought in to protect clubs actually send some to the wall.
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It is a very good point.

I hope they can keep their best players and therefore get a few more fans in through the gates. It might work. Maybe. I should put the straw down now perhaps.
 
JGL07 said:
I thought that Everton were ruled out for a takeover, as with Liverpool, because of the uncertain situation of Anfield and Goodison at the time?
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Everton, like Newcastle, were stupid and wouldn't sign the NDA/Confidentiality agreements that Amanda Staveley wanted them to sign. I've seen some of the emails. There's one where Staveley (and I can't remember the exact words) says something like "How do these people not understand that this is a standard thing in these situations?"

Everton were one of the original five clubs who tilted the playing field in favour of the "big" clubs by demanding the ending of sharing gate money.
Everton (& Sir Philip Carter) were one of the main movers behind the PL.
Everton didn't want an owner who would have transformed them.
Everton wanted FFP.
Everton couldn't grasp that continued spending would see them fall foul of PSR.
Fuck Everton.
 
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supercity88 said:
If there is an agenda behind the decision, I cannot see how it benefits the league to issue us with any punishment. It raises a huge cloud over the PL over the past decade. They’ve said they wouldn’t issue retrospective punishment or take away trophies but you’d have constant calls for the record books to be amended. You’d have never ending stories about how the whole competition had been nullified and moving forwards you’d have the same cynicism around it. It threatens the future growth and revenue of the PL as the premier domestic football competition and in simple terms just doesn’t do it any good!



Finding us innocent of all charges just leads to a bunch of whinge bag fans and journalists who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, claiming corruption. The same thing they do now anyway. It wouldn’t change things at all from that perspective in my opinion.


The majority of football fans think we’ve got 115 charges in the same manner as Everton and if they got 10pts deducted for 1 charge we should have 1150 points deducted. They think we’ve lied about revenues and inflated sponsorship and that we still do today. You still see question marks around our revenue despite the success we’ve had. They’re clueless and to be honest most of them probably expect us to get away with it, as in their eyes we have for so long anyway. So the PL might as well find us innocent. The red shirt clubs will be fuming, but they’ll get over it as long as the rules keep preventing Newcastle/Villa and whoever else from a sustained period challenging their position in the CL.
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Which begs the question, why conclude that 4 year investigation, with charging us with over 115 items. That was the time for the PL not to wedge themselves between a rock and a hard place, but in they squeezed.

And round and round we now go.
 
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