PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Yes, that was my point really. UEFA was determined to get City on FFP in 2014 even if it meant changing their rules at the last minute. My question was why would they want to do that? And I think the answer is concern over City opening up a "tap" of Abu Dhabi sponsorships, and making up the shortfall with two very convenient intangible asset sales. Both of which were addressed in the settlement, and both which could be described as accelerating income to which, maybe, Harris is referring. None of which is illegal or "fraudulent", by the way. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, I was just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. The ****.
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Exactly. There’s no smoking gun on City’s side regarding the 2014 settlement agreement. And loads of clubs entered into similar settlement agreements at the time and have done since (funnily enough, I don’t see Harris going after any of them and calling them cheats).

Harris is re-hashing a decade old story and sensationalising it because he knows all his brain dead followers who suck his cock and hang on his every word will fall for it.
 
Ric said:
I can understand why some people fear a stitch-up, but it's going to be a long 18 months or so if you start heading down that rabbit hole. That way madness lies. Until we see anything to suggest the contrary, I'm going to assume that the panel will be independent and that we will get a fair hearing. Otherwise, what's the point in any of this? Personally, I think there is far too much at stake, on numerous levels, for the panel just to hand out some arbitrary punishment to us in order to appease certain parties. The fallout from a guilty verdict will be huge, so they'd need cogent evidence that holds up to extensive scrutiny.
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Yes, but by the other end of that is, if there is any form of punishment, then we must be guilty.

And before I get tons of shit from the bravado wankfest, I mean just that logic, not that I think we are just to be clear.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Everton, like Newcastle, were stupid and wouldn't sign the NDA/Confidentiality agreements that Amanda Staveley wanted them to sign. I've seen some of the emails. There's one where Staveley (and I can't remember the exact words) says something like "How does these people not understand that this is a standard thing in these situations?"
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Just another example, PB, of the poor standard of management in the PL. You can hear Amanda’s frustration there. She must think it’s like dealing with children.
 
Iassel said:
Respectfully it’s a bit of a silly take - you say City can’t be cleared as it would look bad for the PL, but City being found guilty looks fucking horrific for the PL……

Anyone who believes that the PL would have ever wanted something like this process needs their heads checked. It’s a PR disaster whichever outcome results.

Equally the idea that some of the UKs most respected KCs would want to put their name to a kangaroo court *and* provide City with one of the only possible remedies for appeal is thankfully so insane as to be a non-starter.
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Fair do's

But after the Birmingham bombers, post office, miners, Hillsborough the list goes innocent people found guilty of rape, murder ( even my experience with the law ) innocent people being found guilty.

Fuck me even liverpool got cleared of any wrong doing at the last cl final despite fake tickets, jibbing in all over social media. Everyone due liverpool were the problem yet some how it was all the other authorities that were in the wrong not liverpool.

I have very little faith in the British system.

I wish I had your confidence !!
 
Coatigan said:
Which begs the question, why conclude that 4 year investigation, with charging us with over 115 items. That was the time for the PL not to wedge themselves between a rock and a hard place, but in they squeezed.

And round and round we now go.
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Because the club didn't provide the PL with the external evidence which would have countered their allegations (for understandable reasons). So they had no option but to refer the allegations to the IC?
 
Can anyone tell me the difference between profit and sustainability and FFP or does it all come under the same umbrella?
 
M18CTID said:
Exactly. There’s no smoking gun on City’s side regarding the 2014 settlement agreement. And loads of clubs entered into similar settlement agreements at the time and have done since (funnily enough, I don’t see Harris going after any of them and calling them cheats).

Harris is re-hashing a decade old story and sensationalising it because he knows all his brain dead followers who suck his cock and hang on his every word will fall for it.
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Has Harris actually concentrated on any other issues since we were charged last Feb, or is his mind just spinning with pure bitterness and hatred of all things City. You can imagine the **** saying 115 in his sleep every night, the sad bastard
 
halfcenturyup said:
Because the club didn't provide the PL with the external evidence which would have countered their allegations (for understandable reasons). So they had no option but to refer the allegations to the IC?
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I think the club rightly believed that the pl were acting in bad faith, even if we had provided the relevant documentation to the pl i think they still would have gone ahead with it and it would have been commercially damaging for us, the problem as you have seen with the newcastle emails etc is that these people are very serious businessman with alot of wealth and clout to throw around and they dont take kindly to being strong armed by a bunch of with the best will in world, chancers.

I think you have seen it in all types of business and not just football that people think the money coming from the middle east is just oil money being thrown about by whacky sultans and princes with too much money and no sense and at every turn they have been proven to be woefully wrong, this will be the same, as has been stated here many times, every single thing that they have levelled at us from the day mansour bought us has been proven to be wrong, this will be the same.
 
Coatigan said:
Which begs the question, why conclude that 4 year investigation, with charging us with over 115 items. That was the time for the PL not to wedge themselves between a rock and a hard place, but in they squeezed.

And round and round we now go.
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A combination of huge pressure from certain clubs and the looming independent investigative body that was threatening the PL. It was a statement to say they could deal with matters themselves, the timing being the most fucking obvious admittance of that.

I'm pleased to see the growing discussion around P&L rules and how it only benefits certain clubs. At the moment there's still the generalisation that City just ignored the rules and now teams can't, but the more traction behind that conversation the more likely we'll get someone to repeat what Martin Samuel said many moons ago regarding the FFP rules and what the true agenda behind it was.
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Has Harris actually concentrated on any other issues since we were charged last Feb, or is his mind just spinning with pure bitterness and hatred of all things City. You can imagine the **** saying 115 in his sleep every night, the sad bastard
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It does seem as if he got some information from people at the club about "accelerating" what he calls "investment" but what I think was accelerating income to meet FFP when it started in the early 2010s (there was no point accelerating investment because that wouldn't have made any difference to FFP). There is nothing wrong with accelerating income as long as it is done properly, in fact the Board would have been negligent if they hadn't taken all allowable steps to meet FFP. Where he is going wrong is letting this misunderstanding consume him to the extent he can't see reality any more when it comes to City.

A bit sad, really. But still a **** who needs to reorganise his priorities in life.
 
mancboy said:
I think the club rightly believed that the pl were acting in bad faith, even if we had provided the relevant documentation to the pl i think they still would have gone ahead with it and it would have been commercially damaging for us, the problem as you have seen with the newcastle emails etc is that these people are very serious businessman with alot of wealth and clout to throw around and they dont take kindly to being strong armed by a bunch of with the best will in world, chancers.

I think you have seen it in all types of business and not just football that people think the money coming from the middle east is just oil money being thrown about by whacky sultans and princes with too much money and no sense and at every turn they have been proven to be woefully wrong, this will be the same, as has been stated here many times, every single thing that they have levelled at us from the day mansour bought us has been proven to be wrong, this will be the same.
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I'm not sure the club thinks the PL were acting in bad faith, but I am absolutely sure they are experienced enough in investigations to know that you never give more information than the investigator is allowed to ask for. If you do, you are opening the door for them to investigate it and ask for more. I am guessing the PL thought they could ask for more than the club thought they could. External information, primarily.
 
halfcenturyup said:
It does seem as if he got some information from people at the club about "accelerating" what he calls "investment" but what I think was accelerating income to meet FFP when it started in the early 2010s (there was no point accelerating investment because that wouldn't have made any difference to FFP). There is nothing wrong with accelerating income as long as it is done properly, in fact the Board would have been negligent if they hadn't taken all allowable steps to meet FFP. Where he is going wrong is letting this misunderstanding consume him to the extent he can't see reality any more when it comes to City.

A bit sad, really. But still a **** who needs to reorganise his priorities in life.
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I did think much the same - I thought the club had openly said that they had accelerated spending initially; it's also known that this in turn led to the first breach/settlement, and also the huge deficits in the accounts at the time.
 
Blue Maverick said:
So are we charged with FFP or just lots if non co operation and not cutting the grass
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The allegations are, amongst other things, that the club provided accounts that were wrong. The accounts that were allegedly wrong passed FFP, but the PL's case is that, if the accounts had been corrected for the alleged errors, then the club would have failed FFP. Hence the alleged breaches for not complying with FFP.

I think :)
 
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