PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Pingu the Penguin]

Great job from @projectriver

He made the point I’ve been trying(and failing!) to make about rights of appeal beyond the PL panel.

If they find us guilty of wrong doing effectively akin to fraud on a grand scale then I simply fail to see how they will possibly have the skill and competence to do so. doubt any person (legally qualified or not) would even dream to think they would.

So the general point about the courts deferring to tribunals on subject matter they are expert in will go out of the window and off to the main courts we shall go.

 

[Ballymagash Blue]

Ffs it’s @projectriver and his name is Stefan.

Some cunts are calling him Stephen, Simon, Susan ffs.

Very frustrating, particularly when you consider how good Sharon actually was.

 

[Shaggy]

Why is he wearing the glasses from the old man in Up! ?

Simon Fredricksen or Carl Jordan should be his new moniker

 

[jrb]

We are becoming the most hated football club in the history of the game , it s a non stop barrage of bile and vitriol , we know success breeds contempt but this is way beyond that , the red'istree clubs and the Premier league have done a brilliant job in stirring up the media.
When you consider the Dippers murdered 39 fans and got every club banned from europe , as far as i can remember they didnt get the hate we are experiencing , but f*ck them all the pundits , media and dickheads on social media they will not take one tiny piece of enjoyment and pride i have been able witness over the last decade , we are the best in the world , so just f*ck every last one of them.

Liverpool have. And they are still reminded of that day. And they will always be reminded of that day. But because of the campaign led by LFC, the SOS, and Liverpool fans in general, if anyone sings about that day, you know the chant, it’s now classed as ‘hate chanting’, which you can get arrested for. Don’t let the truth get in the way of a deliberate, planned and orchestrated campaign by LFC and Liverpool fans to absolve their name from any wrong doing which includes illegally hacking City’s player database.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

People believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. There isn’t a single cult member on RAWK that would agree and accept what Stefan said today on Talkshite, apart from City getting relegated.

He is superb on Twitter with other financial cases - Chelsea, Everton, Forest, United shares, United sale - and their fans learn from him or, abuse him and he bans. He is invited on rival fans podcasts because he is so bloody good and then gets invited back. Talks about the other cases, earns credibility, and then always gets the main points out about our isseus.

Slowly, he is building a media reputation and he would fly if he pushed for it.

And even made a small breakthrough on RAWK today...

 

[CC1]

Who said anything about talking over people or spitting

I more on about the fact he let Jordan say one or two things that were a dig and simply let it slip

Is that intelligent or keeping it sweet for next time

I was just using the example of how thick media folk behave in order to demonstrate that Stefan is nothing like that. He wouldn’t tackle Jordan as it’s a useless tactic. He used his time to continue to state the facts.
He came across as well informed & quietly confident. That’s the kind of person he is. He’s never going to attack Jordan for his interruptions & snide remarks and actually, that’s what the f***** wants so he can have a loud argument using his very long words. Stefan isn’t the sort to fall for that & it worked. He just continued to put his point across and it’s the first time someone has fully explained how serious the accusations are- and thus it takes time to resolve. Furthermore the onus is on the PL to progress the case as they are the accusers.

Stefan played Jordan like a harp which is why they cut short the interview

 

[tedmak]

People believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. There isn’t a single cult member on RAWK that would agree and accept what Stefan said today on Talkshite, apart from City getting relegated.

The cult members you can forget. They won’t consume stuff that isn’t spoon fed to them.
i notice, however, that not one Rag I know has posted a ’Relegation’ link to me, because they understand what the content actually said.
Also, have you noticed that the usual City hating journalists haven’t jumped on the headline as they know they will just be promoting an explained view they don’t want to hear.

There ARE some reasonable people who support our opponents. Not loads, I grant you, but some.

 

[tedmak]

He is superb on Twitter with other financial cases - Chelsea, Everton, Forest, United shares, United sale - and their fans learn from him or, abuse him and he bans. He is invited on rival fans podcasts because he is so bloody good and then gets invited back. Talks about the other cases, earns credibility, and then always gets the main points out about our isseus.

Slowly, he is building a media reputation and he would fly if he pushed for it.

And even made a small breakthrough on RAWK today...



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I refer to the post I made some seconds ago.This post is a clear example.

 

[argyle]

I think HMRC would come afterwards. As it stands right now HMRC are happy with our accounts. If solid evidence is presented to find us guilty, I imagine HMRC would then want to know.

That's why @projectriver has spoken about the seriousness of the charges. The Premier League aren't just saying City have lied to us. They are saying we're lying to everyone, PL, FA, FIFA, UEFA, HMRC, auditors. And in turn their accusing all the executives at the club of lying, Sheikh Mansour of lying, Soriano, Khaldoon, Etihad and all their executives, Etisalat and all their executives, other sponsors and their executives, Mancini, his agents, other agents involved with other players, numerous 3rd parties.

As Stefan has stated in a court of law it is deemed that people are truthful. So it's a huge accusation and as a result the burden of proof has to be solid and undeniable.

It's one of the biggest accusations of fraud in the history of this country. Arguably the trial is too big for the IC, the Premier League has cast its net so far wide that it's got tangled up in something way over their head. As Stefan said, a more defined accusation arguably would have stood a better chance.

2 KC'S and probably a former finance director are now left with making one of the biggest legal decisions in the history of this country. To convict they would be saying that an extraordinary amount of people and organisations have been untruthful and that verdict would have to hold up to scrutiny.

I suppose whomever makes the decision will also know that because of their verdict other investigative bodies will then be looking at the 'evidence' and if they come back and say there is nothing to convict on then they're going to look pretty stupid.

 

[chesterbells]

Becky Anderson on CNN has said she is interviewing Khaldoon this afternoon at Kavos, host of the World Economic Forum…

Has that been broadcast now? Is it to view anywhere?

 

[bluesince76]

Jordan is a twat who looks like a **** in that outfit. Or maybe I've got that the wrong way round.

Would he say 'vested parties' about an American sponsor of an American owned club? And throwing in Enron just as the interview is ending like a fucking child.

 

[Mancini's scarf]

I thought you stood your ground brilliantly & told them how it is rather than how they want it to be. Well done.

 

[cheekybids]

Not sure how he thinks this case is similar to Enron. I suppose it makes him sound informed though.

One thing I have never heard is a sensible premise for the case against City. They are seriously thinking that two large companies, both in regulated markets, and supported by one of the richest governments on the planet needed to take, what to them is, peanuts from a private individual to meet sponsorships entered into at fair value? It just doesn't make any sense. Even less sense when they say Mansour has influence over the two companies because of his position. If he had that much influence he could just tell them to pay it themselves. It's a weird argument to make even before you consider the lack of evidence.

All comes down to the fact they think Etihad don’t have a pot to piss in……. Not only are the payments fake, the planes are all owned by Sheik Mansour, & Formula 1 Grand Prix is just a cover to hide equity investment.

Meanwhile ‘Infinite Athlete’ is a real deal, rinky dink, bonefide, kosher, fair dinkum sponsor.

 

[Silva61]

Exactly, Masters and a the PL are totally out of there depth here and have gone way too far . Something will have to give at some stage the stakes are so high . Masters has pushed himself to the point of no return with this for sure ……..

I agree the stakes are high but just as high for the cartel clubs, that's why they've ended up with a puppet like Masters, knowone with any credibility would touch the job whilst it's being controlled by the cartel.

 

[cheekybids]

Well they were never going to post "Financial expert thinks it's impossible for the PL to prove so many people and company's were in on the fraud" That headline would of pissed off the rabid Rags and Scousers.

Why not? Imagine the outrage & interaction they’d get rather than waiting until everyone says City are cleared.

 

[oakiecokie]

Ffs it’s @projectriver and his name is Stefan.

Some cunts are calling him Stephen, Simon, Susan ffs.

Well said Stony Rosy. ;)

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

Simon Notwithstanding Jordan is a complete dick.

 

[mayo31]

I was just using the example of how thick media folk behave to demonstrate that Stefan is nothing like that. He wouldn’t tackle Jordan as it’s a useless tactic. He used his time to continue to state the facts.
He came across as well informed & quietly confident. That’s the kind of person he is. He’s never going to attack Jordan for his interruptions & snide remarks and actually, that’s what the f***** wants so he can have a loud argument using his very long words. Stefan isn’t the sort to fall for that & it worked. He just continued to put his point across and it’s the first time someone has fully explained how serious the accusations are- and thus it takes time to resolve. Furthermore the onus is on the PL to progress the case as they are the accusers.

Stefan played Jordan like a harp which is why they cut short the interview

I liked this post

I know I am just frustrated with it all and at times get pissed off

I love this club and invest a lot, just like we all do

This hurts at times

 

[Zinchilla]

All comes down to the fact they think Etihad don’t have a pot to piss in……. Not only are the payments fake, the planes are all owned by Sheik Mansour, & Formula 1 Grand Prix is just a cover to hide equity investment.

Meanwhile ‘Infinite Athlete’ is a real deal, rinky dink, bonefide, kosher, fair dinkum sponsor.

And a lot of people still can’t get their heads around why any company would pay a big wedge to sponsor little old city or that some companies are astute, objective and can pick a winner

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

I don't really care what the fuckers on RAWK think and it makes zero difference to the outcome of our case but another one here seeing the light :)