PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prophet of Doom]

Even Jeff stelling defending us this morning on talksport saying they’re “charges” at the moment and we shouldn’t forget the may be innocent. And saying the premier league have created a mess

I don’t agree with the media changing at all ??? It’s getting worse and I’ve not seen anything written or spoken in the media without 115 as the main focus

It will be this dick-head in all probability - Keith Wyness. In the press every 2 days quoting us ! https://www.google.com/search?q=ex+...xMjI4ajBqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

ha ! He was actually the first name that popped into my head when I read the article this morning.

If he is the source then can pretty much discount everything that was quoted.

 

[bluemc]

I know I'm pissing in the wind with this, but I'd love someone to give me a coherent and rational explanation of how exactly these alleged breaches, which only go up to 2018, have an impact on how Pep sets his team up, and the technical mastery & genius of players like Rodri, KDB & Foden? What's the linkage between those payments to Mancini in 2010-2013 and Foden's 20 yeard screamer yesterday?

What I've seen/heard from the bitters is that their rational is that without our "cheating" in the early years, we'd not have been able to get into a position where we could then attract the players & managers we have since to gain and maintain our success.

It mainly comes from rags who still can't get over the critical blow Mancini delivered to their club.

 

[wolviedinho]

The last time Spurs won the league, I wasn't even a stirring in my dad's pants.... and I'm a grandfather now.

How spurs have the 4th/5th best revenue is not clear having won fuck all nor grown organically. Disguised investment is a real possibility. First club I would start looking into.

 

[wolviedinho]

It has been mentioned many times that our club are "very relaxed" about the charges but I don't think we have noticed just how unconcerned the club is. Khaldoon was positively radiant yesterday and the players and staff all seem unworried. Several factors may explain the atmosphere around the club. Complete innocence is obviously the first but feeling the conflict is to be fought out on a field we dominate is another.

Our opponents have made the mistake of believing that success in football is purely the result of money. They want/need to make a profit and so income and expenditure are key to this. So, the rights of owners to spend their own money must be limited, income must be limited to acceptable streams and spending to the size of these streams. This has backfired in a big way: City have a record revenue, the rags are a billion in debt. There seems no case to answer on concealment, fraud or spending money other clubs don't like us spending...

What City have done in secret is to remember that football is a sport, played by players on a pitch with a ball! The owners and the staff, both on and off the pitch, have built a club which aims to win matches and it has recruited the best people in the world to do that.

My conclusion is that as long as the PL and its clubs are obsessed with money and with regulations that protect the perceived interests of a tiny minority of clubs and continue to ignore what football is, city will not only continue to dominate but that that domination will grow and deepen. It won't end at four in a row!

So you’re saying we have a chance to win 5 in a row? -:)

 

[mancboy]

You can bet your life Gobshite Jordan will find something .

gobshite jordan couldnt find his nose on his face

 

[domalino]

I know I'm pissing in the wind with this, but I'd love someone to give me a coherent and rational explanation of how exactly these alleged breaches, which only go up to 2018, have an impact on how Pep sets his team up, and the technical mastery & genius of players like Rodri, KDB & Foden? What's the linkage between those payments to Mancini in 2010-2013 and Foden's 20 yeard screamer yesterday?

The only remotely rational linkage I've seen is that if we'd had points deducted, we wouldn't have won the league. But even a points deduction is separate to our on-field performances. Are Everton a worse team due to their 8-point deduction? If we'd had points deducted 2 seasons ago, would that diminish our achievement in the last 2 seasons?

If you speak to opposition fans, you'll very quickly find out that most of them aren't aware the financial charges end in 2018, and those that do are operating on the assumption that anything we were doing from 2010-2018 has carried on and we're still cheating now which is why we were charged with non-coop for 2018-2023, which is why they think it effects Pep's side.

 

[Coatigan]

How Man City climbed the mountain to make Premier League history

Pep Guardiola’s genius, his vast support network and players stepping up inspired club to a historic fourth league title in a row, sealed with a 3-1 victory over West Ham United

www.thetimes.co.uk

Really interesting....

Is there a non-paywalled version?

 

[Mr Fraser]

Is there a non-paywalled version?

https://archive.ph/2024.05.19-172136/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/football/article/how-man-city-became-premier-league-champions-result-9zrj8b2bg

 

[Mr Fraser]

https://archive.ph/2024.05.19-172136/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/football/article/how-man-city-became-premier-league-champions-result-9zrj8b2bg

Hope this works as I am still learning how to use archive.ph

 

[Greenandblue]

Not that it'll help when discussing with the mouth breathers, but let's just get all factual for a minute. Below are the net spend tables, last 5 seasons, and then since Pep came in, and then the last 10 seasons (20 transfer windows). All from transfermkt, so assuming the underlying data is broadly accurate.
In the last 5 seasons, we are 7th for net spend, FACT (going all Benetiz now).

"but you hide the true fees". Nonsense, buyer and seller agree the fee, City can't pretend it was different.
"But Pep spent millions on full backs when he arrived." Maybe, but based on net spend since he arrived, we are 3rd, and only €5.5 millon above Arsenal in 4th, or about 0.7%, neglibible.
"But you'd been spending wildly for years before that, allowing you to build up the squad". So go back 20 transfer windows, all players who were bought so long ago are well out of the system and irrelvant. We are second behind United, but only about 0.5% above Arsenal and 10% above Chelsea, negligible differences over a decade. And all back before we added another 7 PL titles, and tons of other trophies, so we were needing to over-pay to attract players back then.
"City have unlimited wealth, and have vastly outspent everybody else". That's simply not true (as if they'll care about the truth). United, Chelsea and Arsenal have spent more or similar, by any realistic test or timeframe. They just spent badly. At United, expensive world class players arrive to just disintegrate into a mess, At City, very good players become superstars.

These are the un-reported, un-mentionned, covered-up, actual facts. They don't suit the narrative, so you won't read them elsewhere to any great extent.
"But your wages are huge", well maybe but not massively greater than the rest of the top 5 (ex spurs). But guess what? If you win loads of things, your players will get bonuses. The others should actaully be more concerned with what they are paying players for losing...


Last 5 Seasons, 10 transfer windows.

#​	Club	Expenditure​	Arrivals​	Income​	Departures​	Balance​
1​	​	Chelsea FC	€1.51bn​	129​	€712.26m​	133​	€-796.09m​
2​	​	Manchester United	€908.18m​	85​	€213.77m​	86​	€-694.41m​
3​	​	Arsenal FC	€835.54m​	85​	€197.20m​	89​	€-638.34m​
4​	​	Tottenham Hotspur	€808.90m​	83​	€271.87m​	80​	€-537.03m​
5​	​	Newcastle United	€580.20m​	67​	€94.57m​	64​	€-485.63m​
6​	​	Aston Villa	€602.29m​	95​	€219.32m​	92​	€-382.97m​
7​	​	Manchester City	€896.72m​	120​	€516.77m​	121​	€-379.95m​
8​	​	West Ham United	€580.16m​	60​	€297.29m​	67​	€-282.87m​
9​	​	Liverpool FC	€498.75m​	69​	€236.15m​	68​	€-262.60m​
10​	​	Nottingham Forest	€355.73m​	143​	€122.20m​	148​	€-233.54m​

Pep’s Seasons

#​	Club	Expenditure​	Arrivals​	Income​	Departures​	Balance​
1​	​	Manchester United	€1.37bn​	115​	€337.07m​	119​	€-1,037.21m​
2​	​	Chelsea FC	€2.11bn​	226​	€1.10bn​	225​	€-1,011.44m​
3​	​	Manchester City	€1.51bn​	201​	€701.07m​	200​	€-807.99m​
4​	​	Arsenal FC	€1.18bn​	123​	€379.05m​	129​	€-802.49m​
5​	​	Tottenham Hotspur	€1.01bn​	110​	€433.32m​	104​	€-580.08m​
6​	​	Newcastle United	€750.70m​	140​	€267.72m​	142​	€-482.98m​
7​	​	Aston Villa	€709.69m​	160​	€299.10m​	161​	€-410.59m​
8​	​	West Ham United	€821.36m​	115​	€416.08m​	120​	€-405.29m​
9​	​	Liverpool FC	€934.50m​	121​	€547.35m​	123​	€-387.15m​
10​	​	Wolverhampton Wanderers	€680.46m​	232​	€399.78m​	238​	€-280.68m​

Last 10 seasons, 20 transfer windows.

#​	Club	Expenditure​	Arrivals​	Income​	Departures​	Balance​
1​	​	Manchester United	€1.73bn​	161​	€484.44m​	165​	€-1,241.19m​
2​	​	Manchester City	€1.82bn​	237​	€798.80m​	241​	€-1,021.52m​
3​	​	Chelsea FC	€2.34bn​	307​	€1.33bn​	310​	€-1,015.34m​
4​	​	Arsenal FC	€1.33bn​	156​	€409.35m​	163​	€-917.67m​
5​	​	Newcastle United	€903.63m​	189​	€297.02m​	190​	€-606.61m​
6​	​	Tottenham Hotspur	€1.13bn​	141​	€564.72m​	149​	€-568.16m​
7​	​	Liverpool FC	€1.21bn​	170​	€737.17m​	168​	€-475.26m​
8​	​	West Ham United	€909.21m​	165​	€438.99m​	172​	€-470.22m​
9​	​	Aston Villa	€789.69m​	218​	€365.12m​	225​	€-424.58m​
10​	​	Crystal Palace	€459.04m​	169​	€142.65m​	179​	€-316.39m​