PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Legal Alien said:
We've qualified for the CL 13 years running, no other English club has done that.
So to do that means we've finished in the Top 4 in all those years.

That adds up to a lot of money every season, but to the red top fans, generating income like that is not doing it the "right way" apparently!
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Some of the financial guru's on here will correct if i am wrong, i believe we have averaged approx 90m a year over the last 5 years from the CL. A rigged system with seedings and coefficients designed to stop the non G16 from muscling in. unfortunately for them we have. Hoisted by their own petard
 
chaddblue said:
A Liverpool fan I work with had absolutely no idea that we had an era of winning trophies in the late 60’s / early 70’s. He thought that the current era was the first time we have won things

And he wasn’t taking the piss as he’s not like that, he just genuinely didn’t know
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Its amazing how schooled they are on our history or supposed lack there of compared to how little they know of their own, they have been brainwashed into believing that they have been succesful for the whole history of british football and the reality that the idea that they are special is nothing more than good marketing shocks them
 
Timbobs said:
A Liverpool fan in work said the same thing to me. He said that City were a yo-yo club through our entire history. I told him that only Everton, Liverpool, United, Villa, and Arsenal have spent more time combined in the top flight league than City. United have only spent 4 years more combined than City in the top flight. If not for our late 1990s relegation craziness, then City would still to this day have been in more top flight seasons than United.

United spent nearly exactly half their pre world war II existence in the second tier of football. That's a fact that they don't talk about.

City spent most of their time pre world war II finishing above United. (City = 28 United = 15)

Liverpool spent a decade following world war II in the second tier, and only escaped after getting their own sugar daddy, again something that their fans don't like talking about.

City won the FA Cup 4 years before United and 61 years before Liverpool.

City won the League Cup 22 years before United and 4 years before Liverpool.

City were the 4th English team (Spurs-> West Ham -> United -> City) to win a European trophy via a UEFA tournament 3 years before Liverpool won a UEFA tournament


Rival fans who pretend that City were a Wycombe style rising, just don't know what the hell they're talking about. They're pathetic and jealous. They think that it hold themselves up as being great by trying to tear others down, ignoring the fact that they usually use incorrect information, or are straight up knowingly lying about what they're saying.

Fuck them.
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Fuckin brilliant post.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Those facts should be posted/engraved all around the stadium.
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Timbobs said:
A Liverpool fan in work said the same thing to me. He said that City were a yo-yo club through our entire history. I told him that only Everton, Liverpool, United, Villa, and Arsenal have spent more time combined in the top flight league than City. United have only spent 4 years more combined than City in the top flight. If not for our late 1990s relegation craziness, then City would still to this day have been in more top flight seasons than United.

United spent nearly exactly half their pre world war II existence in the second tier of football. That's a fact that they don't talk about.

City spent most of their time pre world war II finishing above United. (City = 28 United = 15)

Liverpool spent a decade following world war II in the second tier, and only escaped after getting their own sugar daddy, again something that their fans don't like talking about.

City won the FA Cup 4 years before United and 61 years before Liverpool.

City won the League Cup 22 years before United and 4 years before Liverpool.

City were the 4th English team (Spurs-> West Ham -> United -> City) to win a European trophy via a UEFA tournament 3 years before Liverpool won a UEFA tournament


Rival fans who pretend that City were a Wycombe style rising, just don't know what the hell they're talking about. They're pathetic and jealous. They think that it hold themselves up as being great by trying to tear others down, ignoring the fact that they usually use incorrect information, or are straight up knowingly lying about what they're saying.

Fuck them.
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Don't forget that the Moores family who owned Littlewoods also ran Everton as well as Liverpool. No claims of corruption aimed at them though.
 
daveoswald said:
Some of the financial guru's on here will correct if i am wrong, i believe we have averaged approx 90m a year over the last 5 years from the CL. A rigged system with seedings and coefficients designed to stop the non G16 from muscling in. unfortunately for them we have. Hoisted by their own petard
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Yes. I think they have changed it for next season, presumably because some of the
G 14 have been missing out. I did read an article a couple of years ago that said £100m in Euro prize money was worth £123m when taking into account of add ons, knock on effect etc. I think your estimate of average £90m is not far off, maybe a little high.
 
KS55 said:
Yes. I think they have changed it for next season, presumably because some of the
G 14 have been missing out. I did read an article a couple of years ago that said £100m in Euro prize money was worth £123m when taking into account of add ons, knock on effect etc. I think your estimate of average £90m is not far off, maybe a little high.
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Bit more than £95m average before gate receipts. 5 year: this season £95m, last season £115m, £95m, £100m, £90m
 
chaddblue said:
A Liverpool fan I work with had absolutely no idea that we had an era of winning trophies in the late 60’s / early 70’s. He thought that the current era was the first time we have won things

And he wasn’t taking the piss as he’s not like that, he just genuinely didn’t know
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You should ask him about their dominance in the late 70s when:


- 1972 where Derby won the league with 58 points and 2nd place Leeds, 3rd place Liverpool, and 4th place City all finished on 57 points. 1 point separating 1st to second. This was the season before Liverpool won their first 1970s league title

- Liverpool won the league in 1977 by a single point with City coming second.

If he knew about their wins and near misses from their glory era, then he should know the seasons we were involved.

You'd think with this period being held in such high esteem by Liverpool fans, that they'd know the tight races they had and who it involved.

But they honestly don't know their actual history, they don't care about their real history. They only know the fictional revisionist history that they regurgitate to eachother.

I'm not surprised though, as many other fans also believe this. And also believe that United and Liverpool always dominated the league and cups between them when the dominating teams per decade were:

1890s - Aston Villa
1900s - Newcastle, Sheffield Wednesday
1910s - Blackburn (but half decade cancelled due to wwi)
1920s - Huddersfield, Sheffield Wednesday, Liverpool, Bolton
1930s - Arsenal
1940s - Portsmouth, but only 4 seasons played due to WWII
1950s - Wolves, Manchester United
1960s - No real overall since last time we had 7 different league winners in a decade. And 8 different FA Cup winners. United won 2 leagues, European, and an FA Cup so they'd edge via Euro Cup. Liverpool 2 leagues and an FA Cup, Spurs 1 league, 3 FA Cups, 1 Cup Winners Cup. City 1 league, 1 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners Cup
1970s - Liverpool
1980s - Liverpool
1990s - Manchester United
2000s - Manchester United, then Chelsea
2010s - Manchester City (with Chelsea having moments and Arsenal in FA Cups)
2020s (so far) - Manchester City
 
Timbobs said:
You should ask him about their dominance in the late 70s when:


- 1972 where Derby won the league with 58 points and 2nd place Leeds, 3rd place Liverpool, and 4th place City all finished on 57 points. 1 point separating 1st to second. This was the season before Liverpool won their first 1970s league title

- Liverpool won the league in 1977 by a single point with City coming second.

If he knew about their wins and near misses from their glory era, then he should know the seasons we were involved.

You'd think with this period being held in such high esteem by Liverpool fans, that they'd know the tight races they had and who it involved.

But they honestly don't know their actual history, they don't care about their real history. They only know the fictional revisionist history that they regurgitate to eachother.

I'm not surprised though, as many other fans also believe this. And also believe that United and Liverpool always dominated the league and cups between them when the dominating teams per decade were:

1890s - Aston Villa
1900s - Newcastle, Sheffield Wednesday
1910s - Blackburn (but half decade cancelled due to wwi)
1920s - Huddersfield, Sheffield Wednesday, Liverpool, Bolton
1930s - Arsenal
1940s - Portsmouth, but only 4 seasons played due to WWII
1950s - Wolves, Manchester United
1960s - No real overall since last time we had 7 different league winners in a decade. And 8 different FA Cup winners. United won 2 leagues, European, and an FA Cup so they'd edge via Euro Cup. Liverpool 2 leagues and an FA Cup, Spurs 1 league, 3 FA Cups, 1 Cup Winners Cup. City 1 league, 1 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners Cup
1970s - Liverpool
1980s - Liverpool
1990s - Manchester United
2000s - Manchester United, then Chelsea
2010s - Manchester City (with Chelsea having moments and Arsenal in FA Cups)
2020s (so far) - Manchester City
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City and United, & City and Liverpool, have finished 1st and 2nd more times than United and Liverpool.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Is that the only thing in this an and all the previous investigations we’ve been fined for, non cooperation because we felt there were leaks? Was that the 2014 thing, didn’t we have to reduce our squad as well?
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No we had the initial UEFA FFP failure the one we took “a pinch” for when we failed due to a late change, in what was allowed, paid a fine and squad reduction
Then there was the 2 year ban following the Der Spiegel leaks which was successfully appealed to CAS the only thing they partially withheld was the non-cooperation although they reduced the UEFA fine from €30 to €10 as they accepted our mitigation over the leaks
 
Gordyola said:
No we had the initial UEFA FFP failure the one we took “a pinch” for when we failed due to a late change, in what was allowed, paid a fine and squad reduction
Then there was the 2 year ban following the Der Spiegel leaks which was successfully appealed to CAS the only thing they partially withheld was the non-cooperation although they reduced the UEFA fine from €30 to €10 as they accepted our mitigation over the leaks
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And there was the lesson, UEFA were not to be trusted (we did hire the person who was heavily involved in the creation of FFP regs to ensure we passed, so they moved the goal posts last second AFTER we submitted our account). Defeated them eventually but they're still hurting, the Cartel clubs.
 
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