PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

BringBackSwales said:
The point is that not a lot of good comes out of religion, or people that use religion as a differentiator, I never said, and certainly didn’t intend to infer, that every **** ever was religious
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It's not the religion that causes problems. It's the nutters who get into power and bend the beliefs to their own warped ends. Which is what happens with the non religious like Hitler etc
 
Damocles said:
Nothing can be proven to exist if you're belligerent enough.

This is introductory epistemology. Someone hasnt read Descartes

Edit: quoted wrong post @burning blue soul
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Does Descartes have the proof that everyone is looking for, or is he offering his opinion?

Opinions are all we have because the question can not be answered. And it cannot be answered because a belief system is a chemical reaction in yours, mine, and Descartes brain (when it was working). It is a human response to fear of unknown.
It is an intangible feeling of confused vulnerability that requires an answer, and when an answer can't be found we fill in the blanks with fiction.
Because that is how the brain works and that is how we cope with life. That can be proved to be correct, btw.
Do me a favour, now. Just let it slide. I respect you know your epistemology and cosmology and other ologies, but no matter what, you cannot point me in the direction that is anything other than conjecture or a "feeling".

I have offered my opinion and reason for this opinion. I don't feel I need to submit anything further.
 
Blue Llama said:
It's not the religion that causes problems. It's the nutters who get into power and bend the beliefs to their own warped ends. Which is what happens with the non religious like Hitler etc
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It all goes cap in hand

Nutters write the religious shit, the weak or the lost believe it, nutters use it and abuse it and the followers

All very sad
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot weren't religious. Doubt Richard Masters is either.
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This isn't correct. But it doesn't really matter.
Bad people use the belief system of others or their misery to carry out their agendas.
They tap into the human condition and manipulate.
The exact same thing is happening to City now. Other fans have been weaponised very effectively with no proof.
Same way belief systems or unhappiness is weaponised.
Belief systems pretty much target unhappy people and promise a future that cannot be justified. Belief systems are mind abuse.
 
Blue Llama said:
It's not the religion that causes problems. It's the nutters who get into power and bend the beliefs to their own warped ends. Which is what happens with the non religious like Hitler etc
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Let me ask you a question. It isn't loaded, just something to realise.

If you hadn't been exposed to religion until age 21, and when you were you had no peer pressure to conform to it. Would you have believed it?
 
Damocles said:
Nothing can be proven to exist if you're belligerent enough.

This is introductory epistemology. Someone hasnt read Descartes

Edit: quoted wrong post @burning blue soul
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Clearly either not read, or not understood, Wittgenstein in the Philosophical Investigations / On Certainty - Descartes and most of western epistemology is based on a category error. Stuff does exist, no matter how belligerent you are.
 
BAB.DAB said:
No, praying would give you some hope you wouldn't die
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Yes, it possibly would. But it wouldn't stop you from dying.
I think it is more accurate to state that in a plane crash situation; most folk, religious or non-religeous, would think of their loved ones above any belief system.
I pray I never find out ;)
 
burning blue soul said:
This isn't correct. But it doesn't really matter.
Bad people use the belief system of others or their misery to carry out their agendas.
They tap into the human condition and manipulate.
The exact same thing is happening to City now. Other fans have been weaponised very effectively with no proof.
Same way belief systems or unhappiness is weaponised.
Belief systems pretty much target unhappy people and promise a future that cannot be justified. Belief systems are mind abuse.
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We've gone from European God-Kings and the Holy Roman Empire to liberal democracy through the renaissance, the French revolution, the Bolshevik revolution, fascism, world war etc. These are very different social orders and I don't believe that the people who emerged shaped these systems in complete isolation. People at key moments shape history but they are not independent actors, they are the products of their time. 1930's Germany was ripe for fascism. The USA has always had an isolationist tendency and as US Capital struggles vis a via China and the tiger economies, it was going to come to the fore again.

Manchester City are caught up in geopolitics. The British establishment is a strong advocate of liberal democracy which is given extra gravitas by the weight of British history. Our footballing rivals have been enabled by support from the liberal establishment who have certain political prejudices that make them a natural opponent of Emirati MCFC.
 
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