PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[mancboy]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

If it didnt why did the pl offer city a deal which we dismissed out of hand, like i said in a previous post if the PL had anything of substance there is no necessity for the 115 charges, the main charges would be more than enough without the window dressing.

Also to add to that the PL were very confident in their positions regarding APT, they were also very confident in their battle with leicester to the point where they disagreed with their own independent committee about the calendar, the PL having confidence in a position is hardly an indicator of anything.

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

Of all the vast amount of content on this thread one line has stuck in my mind like no other (soz, can't remember the poster).

"The process is the punishment"..

There seems to be a level of background noise that news is imminent, not playing games here, I mean this week or next week. I strongly expect the "Stop City' conglomerate will take every opportunity to power spray as much shite as possible because they know the ruling will be the end game for them. That's my conviction.

 

[blueste41]

Just scoured around all the likely sources and cant find any other outlet claiming tomoz is 'ruling hand down day'. Maybe he just wanted to drive traffic to the practice's content, bit of a chancer if true.

It says posted '1d(day)' ago, so this would imply we're getting the result today lol

They have used "eve" under the alternative definition- " the period immediately preceding".
This is evident when the article states "While an award is expected imminently, there is no indication as to precisely when the decision will be handed down."

 

[Paladin]

It says posted '1d(day)' ago, so this would imply we're getting the result today lol

I think 'eve' in this context isn't the same as Christmas Eve, meaning the day before, but 'eve' as in the period of time preceding the announcement.

 

[gazbaz]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

That's made me feel sick

 

[mancboy]

Of all the vast amount of content on this thread one line has stuck in my mind like no other (soz, can't remember the poster).

"The process is the punishment"..

There seems to be a level of background noise that news is imminent, not playing games here, I mean this week or next week. I strongly expect the "Stop City' conglomerate will take every opportunity to power spray as much shite as possible because they know ruling will be the end game for them. That's my conviction.

100% agree this was never about the end game it was about the charges and how they would tarnish the reputation of the club for a period of time, as i said in the above post IF the pl had anything substantive on the main charges thats all the PL would have gone with because the other charges are just window dressing because 115 charges looks good in the press but 3 nobody cares about much regardless of what those 3 charges are AND the club would have took the deal on offer because this would all have been forgotten about by now.

 

[blueste41]

I fucked it off when he shoehorned the rags in for absolutely no reason.

They didn't shoe horn them in for no reason, they were referenced in the redress section along with around another 10 other clubs.

 

[mancboy]

That's made me feel sick

it made me laugh, firstly as i said above the PL being confident on anything at all is hardly a decent indicator of anything and secondly i would expect them to be confident because they are on a no lose here, if they win they get exactly what they wanted and if they lose they will say well we had a duty to investigate but on the flip side of that even if they do win they lose because it calls into question literally everything in the pl for FOURTEEN years our accounts were audited, submitted and accepted by the PL and if they say our accounts our false and were accepted then that calls into question literally every teams accounts for the last 14 years that were accepted as accurate.

 

[cheekybids]

Interesting that all of the implications appear to relate to us being found to have breached the rules

Imagine going into all that detail of all the clubs impacted without considering if City are cleared.

 

[blueste41]

If it didnt why did the pl offer city a deal which we dismissed out of hand, like i said in a previous post if the PL had anything of substance there is no necessity for the 115 charges, the main charges would be more than enough without the window dressing.

Also to add to that the PL were very confident in their positions regarding APT, they were also very confident in their battle with leicester to the point where they disagreed with their own independent committee about the calendar, the PL having confidence in a position is hardly an indicator of anything.

Is it a matter of factual public record that City were offered a deal? Their aren't 115 different charges, rather the same charges allegedly breached over a number of season and in some cases multiple times in the same season that make up the number to 115. Both the complainant and the plaintiff are always confident they will win in advance of the case being heard, saying "to be honest I don't think we have a leg to land on" wouldn't be wise ;)

 

[SilverFox2]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

Is continued hubris at PL top level a new thing?
I feel they are unlikely to blame themselves for any need to demand costs donation from member Clubs.

More a sorry but we still think we were right.

 

[CC1]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

This is a very negative post & not something I wanted to read. I don’t know you or your credibility but what I would say is if these 2 people really are in senior positions in the PL, it sums up the unprofessionalism in the organisation because IF they really are senior people they should not be telling YOU (or anyone else) anything.
Sound like a pair of Billy big balls to me (hopefully)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

They'd hardly say (certainly to a City fan) they were fucked, and only did it to embarrass City would they? Both sides will claim they're confident in the outcome.

The PL claimed they'd won the APT case, when they'd clearly lost it. UEFA were confident about the CAS appeal. Means nothing. The charges are baseless.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

If it didnt why did the pl offer city a deal which we dismissed out of hand, like i said in a previous post if the PL had anything of substance there is no necessity for the 115 charges, the main charges would be more than enough without the window dressing.

Also to add to that the PL were very confident in their positions regarding APT, they were also very confident in their battle with leicester to the point where they disagreed with their own independent committee about the calendar, the PL having confidence in a position is hardly an indicator of anything.

Did the PL actually offer City a deal though?

There’s absolutely no credible evidence to suggest they did - or at least not that I’ve ever seen.

Your second point is right though, and I did reflect that in my post.

They come across as a colossally arrogant and entitled organisation, so then being overconfident based on nothing more than their own lofty opinions of themselves would be entirely consistent with all that bluster and bravado.

 

[Stoned Rose]

They didn't shoe horn them in for no reason, they were referenced in the redress section along with around another 10 other clubs.

Nope.

He shoehorns them in much earlier than that section.

“Ultimately, the Premier League is a commercial enterprise. City was the highest revenue generating Premier League club in 2023/24 (€838 million), at least €67 million higher than Manchester United, and so the Premier League may be pragmatic in the sanction it seeks”

Snide little suggestion that we couldn’t possibly have bigger revenue than those cunts. He sets the scene as being a rag right there.

 

[supercity88]

"On the eve" suggests an element of proximity to the event.

There is literally nothing suggesting it's close or far away. It could be today or January 2026.

By definition yes. But by the rules of writing nonsense it can mean whatever the fuck you want it to.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Is continued hubris at PL top level a new thing?
I feel they are unlikely to blame themselves for any need to demand costs donation from member Clubs.

More a sorry but we still think we were right.

Absolutely mate - as I said to another poster above, it would definitively be consistent with the general levels of arrogance and overconfidence that characterise most of the PL’s statements.

 

[supercity88]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

I've never understood why the PL would be "happy" with a guilty verdict. This is a case that's been brought by the PL yes, but it's not good v evil. If we're found guilty, it leads to complete chaos for the PL. Years of the competition are brought into disrepute. If we are successful, the PL can just confirm they're glad that the reputation of previous seasons is intact and support the decision of the independent panel.

We know there's a cartel behind the charges, but the PL don't benefit from us being found guilty. If anything, it's worse for them.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

This is a very negative post & not something I wanted to read. I don’t know you or your credibility but what I would say is if these 2 people really are in senior positions in the PL, it sums up the unprofessionalism in the organisation because IF they really are senior people they should not be telling YOU (or anyone else) anything.
Sound like a pair of Billy big balls to me (hopefully)

Exactly - that was one of the points I was making in my post.

I’d expect them to say nothing, and come out with some bland, anodyne statement about waiting for the verdict before passing comment.

They didn’t do this.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I don’t post this lightly, but having spent the last few days with a couple of people in very senior positions at the PL - they are certainly feeling very confident in their position.

You’d expect that, to a point - and clearly this would only be of note or concern if we are to assume either the result has landed with both City and the PL already ahead of publication, and they are therefore reflecting an informed view - or if, given its imminence, the relevant parties have an early impression of the broad direction the ruling is going to take.

On this - it’s worth reiterating that @slbsn has been pretty clear that he has been told, as of close of play on Friday, neither party had received the result - so I’m hoping he’s right on that, as in that context the views relayed to me could simply be evidence of a general level of bravado/confidence/arrogance on behalf of the PL ahead of publication, and not indicative of any specific knowledge.

It’s also worth saying that I don’t know these people well, so whilst certain comments definitely felt more indiscreet than others - they could also simply be holding an agreed/mandated company line or corporate position on the charges which don’t indicate anything of substance either way.

But I find this unlikely, as I’d expect the company line would be to say nothing - and to hold that they are waiting for the panel to arrive at its judgement before making any substantive comments on the situation.

That said, they were definitely very bullish in tone, and dismissed any view that City’s position on the charges held any credibility whatsoever.

Very senior individuals discussing a clearly embargoed issue with you, a person they don’t know very well, knowing full well you could go and leak that to the media?

Yeah, mate.