PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Paladin]

The 2-1 was due to Prof Haas who suffered from a severe form of Judicial psychosis during CAS2020. He said because we didn't co-operate with the thoroughly corrupt UEFA hatchet men he didn't care to consider any of our evidence and we were guilty by default. So it was an idealogical decision for him.

He actually said this?

 

[Claytop]

Oh god, we're back to the CAS decision, fines, judges decisions etc...

 

[bluemonkey71]

More interesting than Vim, barms and muffins and reggae (sorry @Stoned Rose ) :)

 

[billblu]

Why was the club fined millions of pounds then?

we cooperated with the investigation at the start but when it was obvious uefa where going to find us guilty whatever we did and the panel where handing over sensitive information to are rivals we stopped cooperating and said we would take it to cas although cas said they understood why we did it we still broke the rules

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

He actually said this?

It was published by his academic office (Law Dept of the University of Zurich) and he got one of his assistants to be the named author, an act of cowardice in itself, but it set out why he was the '1' in the '2-1'.

 

[Stoned Rose]

More interesting than Vim, barms and muffins and reggae (sorry @Stoned Rose ) :)

100 times better than people dragging the CAS verdict up again for the millionth time though mate :)

 

[bluemc]

100 times better than people dragging the CAS verdict up again for the millionth time though mate :)

So was it time barred or what? ;-)

 

[bluemonkey71]

It was published by his academic office (Law Dept of the University of Zurich) and he got one of his assistants to be the named author, an act of cowardice in itself, but it set out why he was the '1' in the '2-1'.

I would hope that was the last time he was selected for the panel then. Thoroughly unprofessional.

 

[dickie davies]

Non cooperation. Like the PL investigation they want us to reveal the smoking gun that makes us guilty which the club couldn't provide.

Why do you think we were fined?

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For non cooperation not for breaking FFP. You are talking about the CAS case aren't you? It was UEFA that found us guilty which was overturned by CAS.

They refused to cooperate with the investigation.

The verbatim quote from the top of the CAS report is:

"Manchester City did not disguise equity funding as sponsorship contributions but did fail to co-operate with UEFA"

we cooperated with the investigation at the start but when it was obvious uefa where going to find us guilty whatever we did and the panel where handing over sensitive information to are rivals we stopped cooperating and said we would take it to cas although cas said they understood why we did it we still broke the rules

Fucks sake! Read my posts
I know why we were fined
My original point is that even if we are cleared of every charge of the PL hearing, we will always be referred to as cheats, and the settlement with UEFA over ten years ago and the fine at the CAS five years ago will always be thrown at us, as it is today
As will the fact we were charged with over 100 counts of breaking PL financial rules

Some posters said we were cleared at the CAS
Whilst we were cleared of the most substantive and serious charges, we were found in breach of non cooperation
This is a fact and we were fined £10M and really that was because the CAS were pissed off they had to hear the case.
I know why we stopped cooperating and we all know who, at UEFA, was leaking the stuff to the media
Even inspector Clouseau could have solved that one

 

[jamielowndes]

Fucks sake! Read my posts
I know why we were fined
My original point is that even if we are cleared of every charge of the PL hearing, we will always be referred to as cheats, and the settlement with UEFA over ten years ago and the fine at the CAS five years ago will always be thrown at us, as it is today
As will the fact we were charged with over 100 counts of breaking PL financial rules

Some posters said we were cleared at the CAS
Whilst we were cleared of the most substantive and serious charges, we were found in breach of non cooperation
This is a fact and we were fined £10M and really that was because the CAS were pissed off they had to hear the case.
I know why we stopped cooperating and we all know who, at UEFA, was leaking the stuff to the media
Even inspector Clouseau could have solved that one

People have declared us guilty from the moment the charges were made public.

At some point you just have to shrug, accept that people hate us the way they hated the United dynasty of the 90s/2000s for being so successful and just get on with life.

We're always going to be the FFP cheats until we stop being a top level team. Nobody hates United anymore outside of us because you can't really be angry at the kid who keeps tripping over his own shoelaces. They're too pathetic to hate at this point.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

It only takes one decent result and the red bastards turn into cunty mccuntbonce again.

Never stop hating united on principle. You know it makes sense.

 

[Paladin]

The 2-1 was due to Prof Haas who suffered from a severe form of Judicial psychosis during CAS2020. He said because we didn't co-operate with the thoroughly corrupt UEFA hatchet men he didn't care to consider any of our evidence and we were guilty by default. So it was an idealogical decision for him. The other two said..

This is untrue. The article doesn't attribute any of this to Professor Haas.

The article you refer to is this:

The duty to cooperate - questions arising from the Man City v UEFA decision - LawInSport

This article is written by Björn Hessert, University of Zurich. By way of disclosure, Björn works as a research assistant for Prof. Dr. Ulrich Haas, who was one of the three CAS arbitrators in the Manchester City FC v UEFA proceedings. Björn would like to stress that he himself was not...

www.lawinsport.com

The disclaimer says "This article is written by Björn Hessert, University of Zurich. By way of disclosure, Björn works as a research assistant for Prof. Dr. Ulrich Haas, who was one of the three CAS arbitrators in the Manchester City FC v UEFA proceedings. Björn would like to stress that he himself was not involved in any capacity in the proceedings and that all of the opinions expressed herein are entirely his own. He would further like to emphasise that Prof. Dr. Ulrich Haas neither did provide assistance nor share any inside information.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I never understood the Mancini stuff. He came in before FFP and where we was spending money like it was going out of fashion (because we was allowed) so why would we have felt the need to try and hide a million or so elsewhere? It makes no sense? Unless it is being accused when he signed his contract extension with us? Which didn't even last a year?

Mancini was here in 4 financial years, from 2009/10 to 2012/13 inclusive. The latter two years were covered by FFP, so the PL charges claiming that we didn't report accurate figures for FFP purposes are legitimate in terms of timing. But they'll almost certainly be time-barred I'd imagine. And even if they aren't, there's little substance to them.

Effectively we failed FFP anyway in those years, hence the negotiated settlement with UEFA in 2014. So the Mancini stuff is a complete red-herring.

 

[No1 was Colin bell]

And Spurs.

And Wycombe in 2026….

Joke btw before I get cancelled.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I still can't believe we sold cole palmer

 

[Gazza]

The 2-1 was due to Prof Haas who suffered from a severe form of Judicial psychosis during CAS2020. He said because we didn't co-operate with the thoroughly corrupt UEFA hatchet men he didn't care to consider any of our evidence and we were guilty by default. So it was an idealogical decision for him. The other two said..
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Haas by name Haas by nature.

 

[KS55]

The Graun had the best take on CAS.
SUMMARY:
CAS did not find City not guilty, they said the charges were not proven which we all know really means guilty but we can’t prove it.

 

[horlock_was_super]

And Spurs.

And Manchester Central for not providing the required brown envelope for us to vote for them.

 

[eastmanc]

The Graun had the best take on CAS.
SUMMARY:
CAS did not find City not guilty, they said the charges were not proven which we all know really means guilty but we can’t prove it.

It's called grasping at straws.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

How important is the amount tho as the accounts would still be wrong and the true nature of everything not reported to the premier league ?

Interesting question. When accountants produce their audit report stating that the accounts show a true and fair view, there's a concept of materiality. That means they can't 100% guarantee that every penny is accounted for correctly but that, in their view, there are no material misstatements. If the company bought a capital item for £100, and didn't depreciate it over 5 years, that's not material. If they find something that would have materially affected revenue or net profit, say by 10 or 20%, then they'd have to highlight it.

If an executive was charged with fraud, and by the end of his trial his lawyers were able to prove all but one of the alleged fraudulent transactions was legitimately incurred, but that he'd claimed a £20 taxi fare when he'd walked, or got a lift, technically he's guilty of fraud but I doubt there would be any punishment.

My former boss on the other hand, was found guilty of concealing tens and maybe hundreds of millions of pounds of insurance claims, which probably impacted the company's net profits by £200m. That's material, and he got 7 years in prison for that.