PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Lord Blue said:
the wife just tried to claim that she wins " i saw the sea first " most of the time. but then i won the belated pub on the front one, which was a doozy, so it doesn't matter. she then tried to whip me with a towel and things went comical rapidly.
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We're you tied up at the time ?

Just askin'
 
Mancini’s Pastilles said:
I dont know what we’re all waiting for. Haven't you all heard from your local victim,rag,tarquin that were fucked and in league 2 already.
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I might wait before I buy a kit. Never know kappa might start producing them again…

Also could be bit cheaper in league 2.

When does league 2 release its fixtures? Just in case -:)
 
bg1968 said:
What is your point ? The premier league have dragged their feet for years , the clamour for an investigation into our club must have been going on for quite a while , they responded to a letter from nine premier clubs in 2020 and started the investigation in 2023. Wenger started all this shite in 2008 whining about our spending and as we got more successful other clubs jumped on the bandwagon , rather than look at their own clubs failures.
The commission maybe painfully slow , but the Premier league took three years to even start the process , the blame for the length of this debacle is firmly at the door of the Red puppet Masters and the Premier league
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I think we all know that this is a very sensitive issue and there is far more to it than football. City are not owned by a random businessman, we're owned by the vice president of the UAE, a member of the UAE royal family.

We're not a play thing for Sheikh Mansour, we're part and parcel of a greater strategy to diversify the UAE and Abu Dhabi. Investment in city has directly led to investment in the UK elsewhere and obviously Manchester itself, the Co-op arena and local area etc etc. Khaldoon personally signed the peace board deal on behalf of the UAE with Donald Trump so even Khaldoon is now a major player for the UAE globally and not just in football or business or whatever.

Key figures in the UAE do not take kindly AT ALL to being called cheats or anything else which may damage their reputation. Reputation is everything to them. Look at what happened in the UAE when they were attacked by Iran, they have put people in prison for posting images on social media because of the reputational damage. Imagine what they'd do if a key billion pound business was called out publicly as one that cheats and the rewards and trophies of their investment were taken away?

If city were punished harshly then it would go down very badly. It could lead to the UAE pulling billions of investment out of football or the greater UK/Europe region. They happily deal with dodgy people such as Trump because it benefits them so they'll have no problem abandoning the UK if the UK can't help to protect their reputation. It's cold and transactional but also ruthless.

This is very likely why it's taking so long alongside the lawyer wrangling. It wouldn't take very long to look at the evidence and judge whether city have done something wrong or not. Dealing with the aftermath of that is likely to be extremely sensitive and it will definitely attract pressure from the government. This is where it gets sticky and indeed it is dark and dodgy but that's the world that we live in.
 
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bg1968 said:
What is your point ? The premier league have dragged their feet for years , the clamour for an investigation into our club must have been going on for quite a while , they responded to a letter from nine premier clubs in 2020 and started the investigation in 2023. Wenger started all this shite in 2008 whining about our spending and as we got more successful other clubs jumped on the bandwagon , rather than look at their own clubs failures.
The commission maybe painfully slow , but the Premier league took three years to even start the process , the blame for the length of this debacle is firmly at the door of the Red puppet Masters and the Premier league
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My point is the Premier League’s involvement effectively ended in December 2024 when the hearing concluded, nothing more nothing less-just that.
On the broader point, the Premier League’s investigation began in December 2018 whilst the charges came in 2023.
 
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Citizen of Legoland said:
That’s the Lytham windmill, I always thought it was the one at Little Marton that counted!
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It is indeed the Little Marton one that counts. it's quite an important building. To mark its significance, Blackpool Borough Council commissioned, at considerable expense, a beautiful brass plaque telling the story. I presume it's still there to this day. Sadly having nobody on the staff that knew the difference between convex and concave, it would only fit an inside wall rather than the exterior.

They still went ahead with the unveiling ceremony.

The Lytham windmill has a brilliantly bleak information display, it's all about Mancunians being drowned nearby...I have a picture of it somewhere.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
I think we all know that this is a very sensitive issue and there is far more to it than football. City are not owned by a random businessman, we're owned by the vice president of the UAE, a member of the UAE royal family.

We're not a play thing for Sheikh Mansour, we're part and parcel of a greater strategy to diversify the UAE and Abu Dhabi. Investment in city has directly led to investment in the UK elsewhere and obviously Manchester itself, the Co-op arena and local area etc etc. Khaldoon personally signed the peace board deal on behalf of the UAE with Donald Trump so even Khaldoon is now a major player for the UAE globally and not just in football or business or whatever.

Key figures in the UAE do not take kindly AT ALL to being called cheats or anything else which may damage their reputation. Reputation is everything to them. Look at what happened in the UAE when they were attacked by Iran, they have put people in prison for posting images on social media because of the reputational damage. Imagine what they'd do if a key billion pound business was called out publicly as one that cheats and the rewards and trophies of their investment were taken away?

If city were punished harshly then it would go down very badly. It could lead to the UAE pulling billions of investment out of football or the greater UK/Europe region. They happily deal with dodgy people such as Trump because it benefits them so they'll have no problem abandoning the UK if the UK can't help to protect their reputation. It's cold and transactional but also ruthless.

This is very likely why it's taking so long alongside the lawyer wrangling. It wouldn't take very long to look at the evidence and judge whether city have done something wrong or not. Dealing with the aftermath of that is likely to be extremely sensitive and it will definitely attract pressure from the government. This is where it gets sticky and indeed it is dark and dodgy but that's the world that we live in.
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This effectively assumes we are guilty.

What aftermath would there be outside of the football environment if none of the major charges were proven?
 
We've got Guardiola said:
I think we all know that this is a very sensitive issue and there is far more to it than football. City are not owned by a random businessman, we're owned by the vice president of the UAE, a member of the UAE royal family.

We're not a play thing for Sheikh Mansour, we're part and parcel of a greater strategy to diversify the UAE and Abu Dhabi. Investment in city has directly led to investment in the UK elsewhere and obviously Manchester itself, the Co-op arena and local area etc etc. Khaldoon personally signed the peace board deal on behalf of the UAE with Donald Trump so even Khaldoon is now a major player for the UAE globally and not just in football or business or whatever.

Key figures in the UAE do not take kindly AT ALL to being called cheats or anything else which may damage their reputation. Reputation is everything to them. Look at what happened in the UAE when they were attacked by Iran, they have put people in prison for posting images on social media because of the reputational damage. Imagine what they'd do if a key billion pound business was called out publicly as one that cheats and the rewards and trophies of their investment were taken away?

If city were punished harshly then it would go down very badly. It could lead to the UAE pulling billions of investment out of football or the greater UK/Europe region. They happily deal with dodgy people such as Trump because it benefits them so they'll have no problem abandoning the UK if the UK can't help to protect their reputation. It's cold and transactional but also ruthless.

This is very likely why it's taking so long alongside the lawyer wrangling. It wouldn't take very long to look at the evidence and judge whether city have done something wrong or not. Dealing with the aftermath of that is likely to be extremely sensitive and it will definitely attract pressure from the government. This is where it gets sticky and indeed it is dark and dodgy but that's the world that we live in.
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So in your opinion we are guilty and our owner is basically giving the government a brown paper bag to get us off ?
 
We've got Guardiola said:
I think we all know that this is a very sensitive issue and there is far more to it than football. City are not owned by a random businessman, we're owned by the vice president of the UAE, a member of the UAE royal family.

We're not a play thing for Sheikh Mansour, we're part and parcel of a greater strategy to diversify the UAE and Abu Dhabi. Investment in city has directly led to investment in the UK elsewhere and obviously Manchester itself, the Co-op arena and local area etc etc. Khaldoon personally signed the peace board deal on behalf of the UAE with Donald Trump so even Khaldoon is now a major player for the UAE globally and not just in football or business or whatever.

Key figures in the UAE do not take kindly AT ALL to being called cheats or anything else which may damage their reputation. Reputation is everything to them. Look at what happened in the UAE when they were attacked by Iran, they have put people in prison for posting images on social media because of the reputational damage. Imagine what they'd do if a key billion pound business was called out publicly as one that cheats and the rewards and trophies of their investment were taken away?

If city were punished harshly then it would go down very badly. It could lead to the UAE pulling billions of investment out of football or the greater UK/Europe region. They happily deal with dodgy people such as Trump because it benefits them so they'll have no problem abandoning the UK if the UK can't help to protect their reputation. It's cold and transactional but also ruthless.

This is very likely why it's taking so long alongside the lawyer wrangling. It wouldn't take very long to look at the evidence and judge whether city have done something wrong or not. Dealing with the aftermath of that is likely to be extremely sensitive and it will definitely attract pressure from the government. This is where it gets sticky and indeed it is dark and dodgy but that's the world that we live in.
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I do not think that City are part of a UAE geopolitical strategy. If it was a UAE investment, it would have been put in the name of the UAE instead of Sheikh Mansour. There is also no internal or external projection of MCFC by the UAE state apart from minor tourism advertisements at the Etihad stadium.
 
Sir peace frog said:
So in your opinion we are guilty and our owner is basically giving the government a brown paper bag to get us off ?
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I don’t read it like that, I think they are desperate to stick us with something to be able to tarnish us, I have fuck all trust in the panel dealing with this, and consequently think it’s being very carefully dealt with for this exact reasoning.
 
happy said:
It is indeed the Little Marton one that counts. it's quite an important building. To mark its significance, Blackpool Borough Council commissioned, at considerable expense, a beautiful brass plaque telling the story. I presume it's still there to this day. Sadly having nobody on the staff that knew the difference between convex and concave, it would only fit an inside wall rather than the exterior.

They still went ahead with the unveiling ceremony.

The Lytham windmill has a brilliantly bleak information display, it's all about Mancunians being drowned nearby...I have a picture of it somewhere.
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I thought the Lytham one had a plaque about a young boy on holiday killed when getting caught in the sails? Early 1900s possibly.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
I think we all know that this is a very sensitive issue and there is far more to it than football. City are not owned by a random businessman, we're owned by the vice president of the UAE, a member of the UAE royal family.

We're not a play thing for Sheikh Mansour, we're part and parcel of a greater strategy to diversify the UAE and Abu Dhabi. Investment in city has directly led to investment in the UK elsewhere and obviously Manchester itself, the Co-op arena and local area etc etc. Khaldoon personally signed the peace board deal on behalf of the UAE with Donald Trump so even Khaldoon is now a major player for the UAE globally and not just in football or business or whatever.

Key figures in the UAE do not take kindly AT ALL to being called cheats or anything else which may damage their reputation. Reputation is everything to them. Look at what happened in the UAE when they were attacked by Iran, they have put people in prison for posting images on social media because of the reputational damage. Imagine what they'd do if a key billion pound business was called out publicly as one that cheats and the rewards and trophies of their investment were taken away?

If city were punished harshly then it would go down very badly. It could lead to the UAE pulling billions of investment out of football or the greater UK/Europe region. They happily deal with dodgy people such as Trump because it benefits them so they'll have no problem abandoning the UK if the UK can't help to protect their reputation. It's cold and transactional but also ruthless.

This is very likely why it's taking so long alongside the lawyer wrangling. It wouldn't take very long to look at the evidence and judge whether city have done something wrong or not. Dealing with the aftermath of that is likely to be extremely sensitive and it will definitely attract pressure from the government. This is where it gets sticky and indeed it is dark and dodgy but that's the world that we live in.
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I agree with all of your post about the political backdrop. But I still believe that the Judges' decision will be an independent one. If we are guilty the sanction will come later and that will be when the full-blown politics takes over. I don't believe the Government, PL, or City have yet seen the decision (unless it has been revealed to them in the last couple of days). What is certain is that the Government will be using back channels with the PL to find out as soon as possible what is happening. The UAE (and Saudi) are our key allies and intelligence partners in the war against terrorism. This has become more crucial as Trump turns away from Europe. There is a lot hanging on this case which is much wider than football.
 
DD said:
This effectively assumes we are guilty.

What aftermath would there be outside of the football environment if none of the major charges were proven?
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Spot-on. Though I think, whatever the decision, there will be repercussions for those who conducted the witchhunt against City. The government (and the Regulator) will push to get Masters and his cronies out. In fact this process may have already started.
 
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