p.a. so if you defend as a team and he is part of the team does he get no credit at all ? Strange to discredit your own argument !peter.evans said:Maly Wilson said:schfc6 said:Kolarov is getting a hard time of it of late. Some going as far as to suggest he's not fit to wear the shirt. I would ask those saying such things to cast their mind back just 12 months, he was one of our most consistant and important pergormers from Christmas last season.
Clichy looked like he'd never played before.
I hear the same arguements time and time again, with absolutely no substance to them. Poor defensively? He was part of the Mancini defence that was very tight. Gave away very little. Mancini and Pellegrini have both constantly picked him.
Yes, he's in a poor run of form, against Burnley he was woeful, as were most against Burnley.
I have defended Kolarov many times, I've never really heard anyone anage to highlight any real incident that lead to a goal. Above someone is talking about Stoke, Fernandinho and Hart were both far more to blame. Hart especially. As a last man defender your job is to orce a player wide, especially one so much fatser than you are. Diouf was so wide when he scored I couldn't believe it.
This thread was quite when he created several chances against Palace. Whilst keeping their dangerous wingers quiet.
Kolarov is a very useful member of teh squad. He's easy to boo, as is Dzeko. Milner was every bit as poor as Kolarov Sunday first half. Didn't/doon't hear groans when he simply twats it out of play.
Kolarov tries the hardest of balls, he tries to put them on a plate for a one touch finish. This is not an exact science and he can not be expected to this more than 2 or 3 times a game. His passing is very under rated. Yes he can be often out of postition. As can Zaba, but we as a team cope. The full backs are often the widest on the pitch, often furthest from our own goal. It goes without saying that if play breaks down they will be out of postition.
This escapes many, including the moron sitting behind me that thinks shoooot is the anser to everything and Ya Ya is a waste of space.
I really have to disagree with the bits in bold. Firstly, under Mancini we were a defensive unit starting from the front, you defend as a team not as individuals. Yes we were tight under Mancini, but I'd suggest that this was because of the way we were set up as a team, not because Kolarov is a great defender. Hence the reason why you get certain managers whose teams concede very little regardless of the club they're at or the players they have at their disposal. Much the same as some managers have teams who score loads & concede loads (Twitcher for instance). So for me, your argument doesn't hold water when saying Kolarov is a great defender because he played in a team that didn't concede many. This was Mancini's doing. To prove further, under Hughes we conceded loads, Mancini came in & with the same players we stopped conceding.
I'm still to hear anybody explain which attributes Kolarov has which make him a great defender.
There have been a number of goals which he has been a fault for, but so has Kompany, Zabba, MDM etc, which happens, that's football. However, Kompany, Zabba & MDM are superb defenders as they have the right attributes. Kolarov doesn't, simple as that. Now I'm not saying he's a bad player, but seriously, anybody who thinks he's a great DEFENDER has a completely different understanding of football to me.
If somebody.......anybody can tell me why they think he's a great defender, I'd honesty love to hear their reasons & saying because we don't concede many as a team really doesn't wash as you defend as a team in football with the Manager determining how the team defends. What the front players to defensively impacts on the midfield, which impacts on the defence.
No no no. Where does anyone say he is a great defender ? You and the anti Kolarov brigade are saying he is a shit defender who should never where the shirt again, as we are constantly told.
Some of us are saying he is a good defender and an outstanding attacking option. Therefore an excellent squad player who certainly should be wearing the shirt again !
Goldenboy87 said:schfc6 said:I have defended Kolarov many times, I've never really heard anyone anage to highlight any real incident that lead to a goal. Above someone is talking about Stoke, Fernandinho and Hart were both far more to blame. Hart especially. As a last man defender your job is to orce a player wide, especially one so much fatser than you are. Diouf was so wide when he scored I couldn't believe it
No you definitely should not have mentioned Stoke as we were looking for goals that he was directly responsible for ! Ps add villa away last year to the konpany list I started earlier !
I shouldn't have even bothered mentioning Stoke as that is getting away from the point I have been trying to make - that was just one incident which if he had done his job then Fernandinho (not sure how he was going to force him wide when it was a one on one situation and Diouf knew he had the legs on him) and Hart wouldn't have even come in to the equation!
peter.evans said:Goldenboy87 said:schfc6 said:I have defended Kolarov many times, I've never really heard anyone anage to highlight any real incident that lead to a goal. Above someone is talking about Stoke, Fernandinho and Hart were both far more to blame. Hart especially. As a last man defender your job is to orce a player wide, especially one so much fatser than you are. Diouf was so wide when he scored I couldn't believe it
Are you his agent ? So you rate him, but despite repeated requests, you've yet to answer the question about what makes his defensive abilities good (I'd take average for a start). We all know his attacking abilities can be good, but explain these good defending abilities to us all.peter.evans said:No no no. Where does anyone say he is a great defender ? You and the anti Kolarov brigade are saying he is a shit defender who should never where the shirt again, as we are constantly told.
Some of us are saying he is a good defender and an outstanding attacking option. Therefore an excellent squad player who certainly should be wearing the shirt again !
peter.evans said:
No you definitely should not have mentioned Stoke as we were looking for goals that he was directly responsible for ! Ps add villa away last year to the konpany list I started earlier !
cleavers said:Are you his agent ? So you rate him, but despite repeated requests, you've yet to answer the question about what makes his defensive abilities good (I'd take average for a start). We all know his attacking abilities can be good, but explain these good defending abilities to us all.peter.evans said:No no no. Where does anyone say he is a great defender ? You and the anti Kolarov brigade are saying he is a shit defender who should never where the shirt again, as we are constantly told.
Some of us are saying he is a good defender and an outstanding attacking option. Therefore an excellent squad player who certainly should be wearing the shirt again !
His biggest problem defensively, is his attacking ability, because unlike Clichy, when he overlaps, and we lose the ball, he's almost never back quick enough to help defend. Clichy on the other hand does get back, and he does it quickly, he'll cover into midfield, allowing one of them to go back into a central defensive or left sided position, or he'll cover into a central defensive area himself, and he uses his pace to get back immediately.
Kolarov for all his attacking ability rarely does, and it causes huge gaps at the back, as it did for Wednesday's goal on Sunday, with others all out of position, and Kolarov meandering back to the half way line ready for the restart.
Goldenboy87 said:peter.evans said:
No you definitely should not have mentioned Stoke as we were looking for goals that he was directly responsible for ! Ps add villa away last year to the konpany list I started earlier !
Ha you do have an excellent memory for Kompany mistakes but your understanding of good and poor defending obviously ain't so excellent!
Not sure how we ended up in a debate about Kompany and Kolarov. I tell you what let's keep Kolarov in the Summer and get Vincent shipped out!
peter.evans said:Goldenboy87 said:peter.evans said:No you definitely should not have mentioned Stoke as we were looking for goals that he was directly responsible for ! Ps add villa away last year to the konpany list I started earlier !
Ha you do have an excellent memory for Kompany mistakes but your understanding of good and poor defending obviously ain't so excellent!
Not sure how we ended up in a debate about Kompany and Kolarov. I tell you what let's keep Kolarov in the Summer and get Vincent shipped out!
Who's saying that ? Kompany is a top class player and captain. He would also say we play as a team . Kolarov had had little praise but in my opinion is a very good player all round and as others have said he has played his part and deserves a lot of credit. He has skills that none of our other defenders have going forward. None of them can strike a dead ball from a free kick the way he can, for example. All we are saying is that he is not shite, or unworthy ofwearing the sshorg, nor a lazy bastard as people on here and at the matches shamefully belt out every time he does the slightest thing wrong.
Goldenboy87 said:cleavers said:Are you his agent ? So you rate him, but despite repeated requests, you've yet to answer the question about what makes his defensive abilities good (I'd take average for a start). We all know his attacking abilities can be good, but explain these good defending abilities to us all.peter.evans said:No no no. Where does anyone say he is a great defender ? You and the anti Kolarov brigade are saying he is a shit defender who should never where the shirt again, as we are constantly told.
Some of us are saying he is a good defender and an outstanding attacking option. Therefore an excellent squad player who certainly should be wearing the shirt again !
His biggest problem defensively, is his attacking ability, because unlike Clichy, when he overlaps, and we lose the ball, he's almost never back quick enough to help defend. Clichy on the other hand does get back, and he does it quickly, he'll cover into midfield, allowing one of them to go back into a central defensive or left sided position, or he'll cover into a central defensive area himself, and he uses his pace to get back immediately.
Kolarov for all his attacking ability rarely does, and it causes huge gaps at the back, as it did for Wednesday's goal on Sunday, with others all out of position, and Kolarov meandering back to the half way line ready for the restart.
I've given up mate, not sure he is going to give any explanation as to why he rates Kolarov defensively other than he is good going forward and has an excellent left foot!!!?
I think we should wave the white flag and just accept Kolarov is a good defender. If I keep telling myself that enough times I'm sure I will start to believe it....