Player Topic: Bacary Sagna (2015/16)

[Proy]

But you never made any mention of how competent Otamendi is as a RB, or how good Maffeo is? Your entire arguament was about how he was an experienced international and therefore better than an untried 18 year old?

You're talking utter bollocks tbh mate. The only debate is who is the better RB and who is likely to play better at RB if called upon, yet you seem oblivious to this. The fact that you "wouldn't even consider" Maffeo shows what utter bollocks you're spouting. Anyone who would pick one player over another without even considering how good the two players are is just bizarre.

My argument is pretty simple. It has been from the start.

Your asking who is the better RB. One has never played RB and the other is 18.

Given the experience of Otamendi then that makes him a safer bet as a RB. Otamendi is a defender, so let's not be throwing Aguero into the mix as some sort of counter argument. If that was the case then of course you would use Maffeo.

I'll answer your question.

Who is the safer bet at RB?

For the reasons I've already detailed. Otamendi, every single time.

 

[GX Blue]

Isn't Sturridge from Manchester?

No.

 

[Yates]

Both sides make valid points, you would want a more experienced head playing against a powerful, quick counter attacking team like Palace but on the other hand, what if he proves inept at playing in this position? It'd be a bit like Liverpool playing Skrtel at RB instead of Flanagan as Flanagan is viewed as inferior to due to age and experience even though he is a better RB than Skrtel. I hope Pellegrini has a proper good think about it and not just hit panic button. I bet Sagna starts anyway!

 

[yankcitizen76]

If Sagna doesn't start, what are the odds on who does?

 

[BigOscar]

My argument is pretty simple. It has been from the start.

Your asking who is the better RB. One has never played RB and the other is 18.

Given the experience of Otamendi then that makes him a safer bet as a RB. Otamendi is a defender, so let's not be throwing Aguero into the mix as some sort of counter argument. If that was the case then of course you would use Maffeo.

I'll answer your question.

Who is the safer bet at RB?

For the reasons I've already detailed. Otamendi, every single time.

Otamendi has played RB before and was fucking terrible, I wouldn't throw around a phrase like "safer bet" just because he has experience.

You seem to be picking names instead of even conisdering the ability of the players, which is what's so stupid. You seem to have a random fear of young players, not based on anything. Bellerin was 19 last season, no experience, yet somehow he was allowed to play and thrived for Arsenal. Presumably Wenger actually considered his ability instead of just sticking Per Mertesacker at RB?

If you judge Otamendi to be a better RB than Maffeo based on their actual ability, then that's fine, but that's not what you are doing. You are randomly asserting that he is better entirely based on experience, which is absolute nonsense.

 

[mcfcfc]

If Sagna doesn't start, what are the odds on who does?

if that's the case then fuck it play navas as a rb he know to do the defending job....personally i will not risk neither maffeo or otamendi away at palace facing bolasie who is a good player and has a lot of tricks in him ...if we want to test maffeo do it against sunderland not palace who just beated chelsea at bridge

 

[Proy]

Otamendi has played RB before and was fucking terrible, I wouldn't throw around a phrase like "safer bet" just because he has experience.

You seem to be picking names instead of even conisdering the ability of the players, which is what's so stupid. You seem to have a random fear of young players, not based on anything. Bellerin was 19 last season, no experience, yet somehow he was allowed to play and thrived for Arsenal. Presumably Wenger actually considered his ability instead of just sticking Per Mertesacker at RB?

If you judge Otamendi to be a better RB than Maffeo based on their actual ability, then that's fine, but that's not what you are doing. You are randomly asserting that he is better entirely based on experience, which is absolute nonsense.

I can't judge Maffeos ability at a higher level. I've only seen him in the EDS. Like maany of us.

I've watched Nicolas play at the top level. As a defender he should be adaptable enough as a RB, which should be giving him the edge to play there over Maffeo.

I'm basically of the opinion that it's a higher risk playing an untried 18 year old.

 

[obliquerays]

If Sagna doesn't start, what are the odds on who does?

1/3 Nicolas
3/1 Pablo
10/1 AN Other

Scanty 10% overround at oblique sports !

Probably get filled in late on with Otamendi heavy hitters I suspect ...

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

I've watched Nicolas play at the top level. As a defender he should be adaptable enough as a RB, which should be giving him the edge to play there over Maffeo.

You make valid points but I think you are also missing others point. You state "should" in your statement which indicates you are assuming, whereas others have seen him play that position and he was dreadful. Not every defender can play every defensive position, just like not every midfielder can play anywhere in midfield or in every teams tactical responsibility model. I have seen very little of Otamendi at RB and have seen a fair bit of Pablo with the EDS, my opinion from what I have seen leaves me 50/50 its not quite as cut and dried as you make out IMO

 

[bluecityste]

There is probably less than 1% chance of us playing a youth player for his debut away from home when there is a centre back who could be played there, let alone one who we just splashed £32m on.

If we don't dare to bring on a youth player for more than 5 minutes when 2-0 up at home Maffeo will almost undoubtedly not play away from home, even if he was the most highly rated prospect at the club.