Player topic: Eliaquim Mangala (2014/15)

[Mancitybluemoon1]

I had 3 other alternatives to gullible. I'm know considering the options given you post every bit, old and new, of media, social media news/gossip/bollocks that you come across.

that's what forums are for.......if you only stat the obvious, there is no room for discussion.....

You very rarely offer your own opinion though, you just recycle old media news.

That's not the primary focus of a forum.

You get slagged off for having a view, which seems to end up being a bigger focus than the topic being discussed......I pretty much respect that everyone has a view and we don't all have to agree but others seem to think because your view is different, then you don't have a clue what your talking about.....I see a lot of "newies" come on here and get shot down in this way, then they stop having a view(opinion)......I can take it, find it funny but often cant be arsed trying to justify my opinion to a few that clearly don't know what they are talking about....

 

[Davs 19]

that's what forums are for.......if you only stat the obvious, there is no room for discussion.....

You very rarely offer your own opinion though, you just recycle old media news.

That's not the primary focus of a forum.

You get slagged off for having a view, which seems to end up being a bigger focus than the topic being discussed......I pretty much respect that everyone has a view and we don't all have to agree but others seem to think because your view is different, then you don't have a clue what your talking about.....I see a lot of "newies" come on here and get shot down in this way, then they stop having a view(opinion)......I can take it, find it funny but often cant be arsed trying to justify my opinion to a few that clearly don't know what they are talking about....

I've run that through Google translate and think I understand it.

I'm all for different opinions and healthy debate.

You very rarely seem to have an opinion, you rehash old news stories, often purport to agree with/ believe them, and then when someone challenges you, you back track at a rate of knots.

For the record, you will never find me 'slagging somebody off' for having a view. I may disagree with it, I may debate it but always respect their right to it.

I would love you to take the time to 'justify your opinion', my point is you rarely seem to have one and when challenged, you reply with the sort of watery bollocks above this post.

Anyway, off you trot to trawl the Internet to come up with your next opinion.

 

[Mancitybluemoon1]

You very rarely offer your own opinion though, you just recycle old media news.

That's not the primary focus of a forum.

You get slagged off for having a view, which seems to end up being a bigger focus than the topic being discussed......I pretty much respect that everyone has a view and we don't all have to agree but others seem to think because your view is different, then you don't have a clue what your talking about.....I see a lot of "newies" come on here and get shot down in this way, then they stop having a view(opinion)......I can take it, find it funny but often cant be arsed trying to justify my opinion to a few that clearly don't know what they are talking about....

I've run that through Google translate and think I understand it.

I'm all for different opinions and healthy debate.

You very rarely seem to have an opinion, you rehash old news stories, often purport to agree with/ believe them, and then when someone challenges you, you back track at a rate of knots.

For the record, you will never find me 'slagging somebody off' for having a view. I may disagree with it, I may debate it but always respect their right to it.

I would love you to take the time to 'justify your opinion', my point is you rarely seem to have one and when challenged, you reply with the sort of watery bollocks above this post.

Anyway, off you trot to trawl the Internet to come up with your next opinion.

I completely respected your reply until that last line......then I stopped taking you seriously......thanks for your comments

 

[Davs 19]

You get slagged off for having a view, which seems to end up being a bigger focus than the topic being discussed......I pretty much respect that everyone has a view and we don't all have to agree but others seem to think because your view is different, then you don't have a clue what your talking about.....I see a lot of "newies" come on here and get shot down in this way, then they stop having a view(opinion)......I can take it, find it funny but often cant be arsed trying to justify my opinion to a few that clearly don't know what they are talking about....

I've run that through Google translate and think I understand it.

I'm all for different opinions and healthy debate.

You very rarely seem to have an opinion, you rehash old news stories, often purport to agree with/ believe them, and then when someone challenges you, you back track at a rate of knots.

For the record, you will never find me 'slagging somebody off' for having a view. I may disagree with it, I may debate it but always respect their right to it.

I would love you to take the time to 'justify your opinion', my point is you rarely seem to have one and when challenged, you reply with the sort of watery bollocks above this post.

Anyway, off you trot to trawl the Internet to come up with your next opinion.

I completely respected your reply until that last line......then I stopped taking you seriously......thanks for your comments

You're very welcome.

“The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is that he wants to believe.”
― Voltaire

Enjoy the rest of the evening.

 

[Dax777]

Totally agree - also think that he's a thinker which is rare in modern day centre halves. He's been open about his poor moments in a City shirt and has said that he is more critical of his game than anyone else. He will go on to be a world class defender for years to come and this thread will have the comedy value that early threads about Toure/Silva etc had!

Again another one who misses the point. This not about Mangala really, it's about making good decisions. Whether Mangala goes on to be great is not necessarily the issue. The point is we made a choice to splurge a considerable portion of our restricted finances on a player who clearly was not going to start.

You say this as if it's a statement of fact, when it absolutely is not. It's entirely possible - likely if you ask me - that we bought Mangala with the clear intention that he and Kompany would be our first choice pairing and MDM and Boyata would be backups. Now for whatever reason we are bedding Mangala in more slowly. Perhaps because he hasn't impressed as much as we might have expected, who knows. But to say that the plan all along was that Mangala would not be first choice is wild peculation, and given how much we spent on him, it would seem pretty likely that you are mistaken.

Well then, that's even worse if you ask me. I was being kind by suggesting he was probably not bought to be a starter this season. Not for nothing, I stated times without number in the summer that Mangala was not gonna bench MDM or our captain. The response I often got was perhaps he was being bought for the future. Now if he wasn't being bought for the future, then it was an even worse decision, seeing as it didn't take much to see Demichelis was presently superior. FFS, Demichelis was presently superior to Kompany, so if the Management couldn't see that, then bad on them.

But hey, I shouldn't say too much before FI comes to tell me I'm stupid for claiming to know more than management.

 

[Dax777]

No one else?

You mean apart from the other teams at the bidding table?

what teams? Please enlighten. Chelsea wad the only rumor, and they never put in a bid.and had we lost him we simply could have gotten Koulibally, Knoche, Sule, Jesus or my original cheap Suggestion over the summer Veltman. And they'd all be about the same level as Mangala. Better even we could have gone for an experienced guy like Hummels, or Miranda to hold the forth until one of the youth players step up.

Point being there is nothing fatal about not getting Mangala. I have no doubt that Koulibally and Jesus will be just as Good, and if Gimenez and Sule keep up there performances, they'd be even better. There is no shortage of young great CB. We didn't magically source out the best that was Must have.

And just for accuracy sake, Mangala is not so good on the ball. You should watch Jesus and Sule to see what young defenders who are good on the ball look like. Certainly not like Eliaquim, who is decent but labored on the ball.

Not for the first time you seem to be posting from an alternative realm or universe.

These centre halves you've listed who are better than Mangala, I'm curious why when Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, City, Liverpool, were desperately looking for centre halves last summer none of them went and signed these obvious talents.

Could it perhaps be that your perception of their abilities is based on something other than their actual performances. Otherwise I think it's fair to say that you should be applying for scouting jobs at top clubs because I know for a fact that the general consensus last summer was that there simply aren't any truly top centre half prospects in the world, hence the clubs i've listed all struggled to lock one down and we bought the most sought after one.

For someone who spends so much time ridiculing others, you probably should spend a little more time understanding what others are saying, and a little less time looking down on opinions that differ from yours.

So for what it is worth, let me try to explain my post in points
For starters, I never said any of the players were better than Mangala
-My point simply was we needed reinforcing in other areas over the CB position.
- to which FI responded that we would have lost him.
- To which I responded that even if we had (seeing as he wasn't gonna be a starter here anyway, we simply could have gotten a player like Koulibally, Sule, Maksimovic or Knoche ( I.e this years versions of what Mangala was last season) next summer (You know when we have less of a restriction). This is not to say they are better, but simply to point out that great young CBs would not cease to exist once we failed to sign Mangala for a huge amount of our restricted funds. And a good number of these guys would be rated as highly as Mangala, and some might very well turn out better. No one knows for sure. But the point is still the same.

Again, understanding my argument on the basis of whether Mangala comes good in 2 years or not, simply misses the point!

I don't know how often I can say it, I have nothing against Mangala. I have often stated he looks like a solid CB specimen, and has a good chance of becoming very good, perhaps even exceptional. But so will some of the above mentioned. Thus, the claim that we 'absolutely' needed to spend a sizeable portion of the summer money on Mangala depends on the pretense that no other food young CB would ever be on the horizon. This is false. And pointing out that falsehood was the point of given the names current young CBs performing at high levels.

Get it?

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

You very rarely offer your own opinion though, you just recycle old media news.

That's not the primary focus of a forum.

You get slagged off for having a view, which seems to end up being a bigger focus than the topic being discussed......I pretty much respect that everyone has a view and we don't all have to agree but others seem to think because your view is different, then you don't have a clue what your talking about.....I see a lot of "newies" come on here and get shot down in this way, then they stop having a view(opinion)......I can take it, find it funny but often cant be arsed trying to justify my opinion to a few that clearly don't know what they are talking about....

I've run that through Google translate and think I understand it.

I'm all for different opinions and healthy debate.

You very rarely seem to have an opinion, you rehash old news stories, often purport to agree with/ believe them, and then when someone challenges you, you back track at a rate of knots.

For the record, you will never find me 'slagging somebody off' for having a view. I may disagree with it, I may debate it but always respect their right to it.

I would love you to take the time to 'justify your opinion', my point is you rarely seem to have one and when challenged, you reply with the sort of watery bollocks above this post.

Anyway, off you trot to trawl the Internet to come up with your next opinion.

How about you take fantasylandireland up on his point that he knows that "Mangala is light years ahead of what Rekik will ever be, or does his shit taste sweeter?. As we know Mangalas not played well, Pellegrinis stated he's not had best of starts, every pundit or observer with two eyes has seen it and even the bloody player said his form has been below standard...yet still a couple of lads have him on a pedastel where you shall not criticise the player for shit form when he does play.Where as Rekik is 19, not really played for us yet, but has international cap and done very well on loan.
Regards Mangala it doesn't matter if we paid ten or 50 million, he's not really been good so far. Hope he does come good, but not holding my breath. So if he's been crap and we forked out whatever, then obviously many fans would wish the money was used better just like Mathias Vouso, Santa Cruz, Samaras (to name a few) eye watering fees hurt

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

I've run that through Google translate and think I understand it.

I'm all for different opinions and healthy debate.

You very rarely seem to have an opinion, you rehash old news stories, often purport to agree with/ believe them, and then when someone challenges you, you back track at a rate of knots.

For the record, you will never find me 'slagging somebody off' for having a view. I may disagree with it, I may debate it but always respect their right to it.

I would love you to take the time to 'justify your opinion', my point is you rarely seem to have one and when challenged, you reply with the sort of watery bollocks above this post.

Anyway, off you trot to trawl the Internet to come up with your next opinion.

I completely respected your reply until that last line......then I stopped taking you seriously......thanks for your comments

You're very welcome.

“The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is that he wants to believe.”
― Voltaire

Enjoy the rest of the evening.

Obviously looking to come across as smart, only ended up coming across as a smarmy smartarse

 

[pudge]

You get slagged off for having a view, which seems to end up being a bigger focus than the topic being discussed......I pretty much respect that everyone has a view and we don't all have to agree but others seem to think because your view is different, then you don't have a clue what your talking about.....I see a lot of "newies" come on here and get shot down in this way, then they stop having a view(opinion)......I can take it, find it funny but often cant be arsed trying to justify my opinion to a few that clearly don't know what they are talking about....

I've run that through Google translate and think I understand it.

I'm all for different opinions and healthy debate.

You very rarely seem to have an opinion, you rehash old news stories, often purport to agree with/ believe them, and then when someone challenges you, you back track at a rate of knots.

For the record, you will never find me 'slagging somebody off' for having a view. I may disagree with it, I may debate it but always respect their right to it.

I would love you to take the time to 'justify your opinion', my point is you rarely seem to have one and when challenged, you reply with the sort of watery bollocks above this post.

Anyway, off you trot to trawl the Internet to come up with your next opinion.

How about you take fantasylandireland up on his point that he knows that "Mangala is light years ahead of what Rekik will ever be, or does his shit taste sweeter?. As we know Mangalas not played well, Pellegrinis stated he's not had best of starts, every pundit or observer with two eyes has seen it and even the bloody player said his form has been below standard...yet still a couple of lads have him on a pedastel where you shall not criticise the player for shit form when he does play.Where as Rekik is 19, not really played for us yet, but has international cap and done very well on loan.
Regards Mangala it doesn't matter if we paid ten or 50 million, he's not really been good so far. Hope he does come good, but not holding my breath. So if he's been crap and we forked out whatever, then obviously many fans would wish the money was used better just like Mathias Vouso, Santa Cruz, Samaras (to name a few) eye watering fees hurt

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[FantasyIreland]

And you too are missing the point Dax.....yes the squad needed summer surgery,however,it was correctly,imo,decided the centre half position was most in need of quality talent,and not left wing or left back or anywhere else........The opportunity to sign the most sought after player in the game,and one whose attributes,after months of analysis and scouting,were deemed best suited to compliment our style and philosophy was there......so we took it.

To say he's 'not a starter' is also nonsense.Pellegrini,as evidenced,will do so as and when he see's fit.

Had we gone into the season with the previous compliment of options we would have been preparing to fail,subsequently,the weakness was addressed with a player of enormous quality.Its beyond bizarre that people cant recognize such,instead choosing to focus on the OTT criticism of his occasional errors that have been exaggerated by agenda driven media sources.