Player topic: Jesus Navas (2014/15)

Navas has great pace, but for me that's where it ends because it is absolutely wasted when he delivers a right-footed wormburner that hits the opposition left back in the shin pads just as predictably as a 4th place Arsenal finish. It either goes out for a throw in or worse, a corner for us which is basically a lost possession. Somebody please tell me how a small man with feet the size of a pitching wedge playing on a perfectly groomed surface with a modern football can be unable to get the ball airborne, EVER?

Just for once I'd like to see him fake a hard right-footed cross but instead pull up, put the ball on his left foot, and float a soft chip into the box. Just doing something--anything--different to make the left back think a little.
 
SkyBlueTX said:
Navas has great pace, but for me that's where it ends because it is absolutely wasted when he delivers a right-footed wormburner that hits the opposition left back in the shin pads just as predictably as a 4th place Arsenal finish. It either goes out for a throw in or worse, a corner for us which is basically a lost possession. Somebody please tell me how a small man with feet the size of a pitching wedge playing on a perfectly groomed surface with a modern football can be unable to get the ball airborne, EVER?

Just for once I'd like to see him fake a hard right-footed cross but instead pull up, put the ball on his left foot, and float a soft chip into the box. Just doing something--anything--different to make the left back think a little.
I know...oh dear God I know...even my missus knows, yesterday after about 50mins she said "if the object of the game was for that guy to hit the ball off that blokes knee City would be hammering that lot"
 
pudge said:
Dax777 said:
pudge said:
It's not selective it's relevant.

Navas had a bad game, if people wish to voice their opinions of his performance then they'll do so (as is their right) in his dedicated thread.

There are numerous posts in the thread discussing Milner with regards to his performance. There was also a vast amount in the match thread.

Personally I saw nothing overly negative in SIlva's performance, Arsenal just did a job on him.

If you wish to create a thread about replacing Milner or Nasri or whoever with a youth team player, go ahead. That's your right to put your opinion across, not "scapegoating" anyone.

People view matches differently, they have different takes on a players performance. If many think Navas was bad then that's just that.

Perhaps it's ironic that some overreact to such things.

Also, I don't see what was "wrong" with what I said; wasn't aware their was a right answer but hey ho. This is Navas' thread, people will post about him.
Perhaps "wrong" wasn't the right word, but simply because people are stating an opinion on a particular players thread, doesn't mean they are not also scapegoating. Also, just because a claim is relevant, doesn't mean it's not also selective. I am sure you are quite aware of that. I didn't see anything wrong with Silva either, nor Milner for that matter. They were both simply shackled by Arsenals tight space. Hence they were less influential than Navas. And at best, equally as ineffective. That Navas was the only one able to get out of his shackle at all, it's in itself telling. That he was the only one of the 3 to bother the goalies gloves also is something. That he also created City best chance is also something else. But like I said in the "other Navas" ( he was so bad apparently he deserved 2) thread, too many must think playing well or not, starts at the attempt at the cross and ends at the result of the immediate outcome thereafter.
Otherwise, this feels a lot like scapegoating to me - but then again this is Navas thread :)
Of course crossing is not the be all and end all but with regards to Navas it is a huge part of his game and thus a source of great frustration.

He's not someone who's going to take his man on, as frustrating as that is. He does well to get into crossing positions, running behind defenders but if you can't deliver when you get into that position it's makes it rather redundant or all the more frustrating to see.

That clip posted last night; we're breaking and he offers himself out wide to create a crossing opportunity, great. He then gets the ball in plenty of time and makes a cock up of the cross, I mean a monstrosity of a cross.

That's even worse when you consider that's his role in the team, that's his focus. To get into those positions and deliver and he fails to do so more often than he should.

No doubt the focus when Navas is playing is to attack down the right, coupled with the fact Zabaleta is Zabaleta, so a lot of our attacks go through him. Unfortunately, a lot of our attacks stall with him. As a result he's given a lot more opportunities to cross the ball and create chances than the likes of Milner out the left so obviously numbers like crossing success and the like will be quite skewed. However, that's his job he is a focal point to our attack when he's playing so he should be doing a hell of lot better than he is and generally does. He has 6 assists and that's fantastic but he puts in just less than double the amount of crosses than Milner does out the left and yet he has 5. He's not making the most of his own hard work and chances created for him and that's frustrating.

If I was given the chance to improve one spot in the team, one position, it would right wing (left back would be close tbf). You yourself voice annoyance at not pursuing Sanchez, that's his main position as well.
True, I agree with most of what you've said, yet our prisms for viewing the same facts differ. I unlike you don't suppose it's a given that its Navas's is the focal point when he plays, thus I dont deduct him points for failure to deliver the telling pass. Sure, I am just as frustrated as many at how often the crosses never reaches the final player, but often I see the reason why. And it often isn't him. The clip you posted was one of the examples of where he particularly failed, yet I saw his reasoning. He tried to drive it at Aguero, while Silva at the far post was the better option. Poor decision on his part. That clip though wasn't the norm. Normally he cuts to the buy line and tries to drive the ball back to Aguero in the box, with no one else around and three defenders between him and Aguero.
Also I agree that a player like Sanchez was one we've needed for the longest now. We simply don't have a player that attacks defenders with speed and skill. Jovetic being the closest, but he is oft injured and thus mostly out of sync when available. Hence why I argued in the summer that Sanchez was our #1 need. But this is not a positional need in my opinion. Another point I've often argued. In reality, Left wide is where Sanchez would probably have played, Silva would probably move right and Nasri would probably go to the bench. Navas wouldn't even be in the discussion. This is not to say I dislike Navas, I like him a lot, and I'd sooner flog of a good number of our current squad before I get to him. That said, he was never supposed to be a starter. That he has started so many games this season speaks to how often many of our attacking players get crocked, how consistently he on the other hand stays healthy, and how diligently he works on defense and offense. Personally I celebrate this and rather rail at what I believe to be the crux of our malaise (I.e. poorly identifying what our needs were in the summer). And in absolute truth I thought Navas was decent in this game. He made the right decision in most instances, just didn't get the favorable outcome. I thought he was poorer at Everton. Where he often failed to make the right decision, often taking extra touches that weren't necessary. This I don't believe was the case in this game. He simply didn't have an advantage in most of the situations.
But like you said, we all see it differently. But on yesterday's performance, Navas was far from the bottom for me.
 
When Navas joined City, I thought he would set the Premier League alight. However, I have to say, that he is one of the worst wingers in the top flight.

1- He delivers maybe one decent cross a game or two if you are being kind
2- He spends most of the game hitting the first defender with utterly hopeless balls
3- He has no left foot and cant turn inside the defender so everyone knows where he is going.
4- His shooting is sub-standard
5- He loses the momentum in good situations and wastes so many excellent opportunities on the counter attack
6- I have no idea why he takes the crosses. He cant clear the near post.
7- I will be astounded if he is first choice winger next season.

In 22 league appearances, he has only provided 6 assists and no goals! That is pathetic. Please buy a quality winger!
 
myk70007 said:
When Navas joined City, I thought he would set the Premier League alight. However, I have to say, that he is one of the worst wingers in the top flight.

1- He delivers maybe one decent cross a game or two if you are being kind
2- He spends most of the game hitting the first defender with utterly hopeless balls
3- He has no left foot and cant turn inside the defender so everyone knows where he is going.
4- His shooting is sub-standard
5- He loses the momentum in good situations and wastes so many excellent opportunities on the counter attack
6- I have no idea why he takes the crosses. He cant clear the near post.
7- I will be astounded if he is first choice winger next season.

In 22 league appearances, he has only provided 6 assists and no goals! That is pathetic. Please buy a quality winger!
We all thought that Navas will become a world class winger under Pellegrini, unfortunately the material is not there. Probably he is the most predictable player in PL. Even so, he is very good for a substitute. I would definitely keep him but bring a real winger on the right side.
chelsea have Willian, united have Di Maria, arsenal have Sanchez, liverpool have Sterling, even tottenham have Lamela.. We have Navas; is not fair, is it?
 
rapidCT said:
myk70007 said:
When Navas joined City, I thought he would set the Premier League alight. However, I have to say, that he is one of the worst wingers in the top flight.

1- He delivers maybe one decent cross a game or two if you are being kind
2- He spends most of the game hitting the first defender with utterly hopeless balls
3- He has no left foot and cant turn inside the defender so everyone knows where he is going.
4- His shooting is sub-standard
5- He loses the momentum in good situations and wastes so many excellent opportunities on the counter attack
6- I have no idea why he takes the crosses. He cant clear the near post.
7- I will be astounded if he is first choice winger next season.

In 22 league appearances, he has only provided 6 assists and no goals! That is pathetic. Please buy a quality winger!
We all thought that Navas will become a world class winger under Pellegrini, unfortunately the material is not there. Probably he is the most predictable player in PL. Even so, he is very good for a substitute. I would definitely keep him but bring a real winger on the right side.
chelsea have Willian, united have Di Maria, arsenal have Sanchez, liverpool have Sterling, even tottenham have Lamela.. We have Navas; is not fair, is it?
both of you are talking shit. points made by myk are all right for the most part except for couple of things (take into context):
1. he was brought in as a back up so firstly to light up the PL comment doesnt hold water.
2. he isnt frst choice. silva and nasri are, injuries means that he has started these many games
3. he cost 15M and he is nowhere near hte worst winger
4. he so often has no one to aim in the box. the goal we scored, only milner was close with Kun at the edge of the box and silva only just drifting in

as for rapid. Lamela is a failure uptil now, Di maria cost 4 times more, and sanchez twice as much. and when you buy a player at 27-28 you dont buy them with the notion that "We all thought that Navas will become a world class winger under Pellegrini". we bbuy them cuz they are fully developed with little to no room of improvement and we want their instant impact and he made that. I also wonder who you mean by "we". Oh and Willian, he doesnt nothing and cost 30M+ and chelsea have already brought in a replacement for him
 
I see Jesus is in the chair tonight. Who will the Blue Moaners pick next to have a pop at. Give it a rest fellas, Jesus isn't world class, we and I suspect Pellers know that but he is reliable, works feckin hard, particulrly in supporting the defense and is rarely on the sick.

He is a good player who gives every opposition team something to worry about.

Anyway, you lot crack on, it will be someone else tomorrow, no doubt.
 
I see Jesus is in the chair tonight. Who will the Blue Moaners pick next to have a pop at. Give it a rest fellas, Jesus isn't world class, we and I suspect Pellers know that but he is reliable, works feckin hard, particulrly in supporting the defense and is rarely on the sick.

He is a good player who gives every opposition team something to worry about.

Anyway, you lot crack on, it will be someone else tomorrow, no doubt.
 
bluechampion7891 said:
rapidCT said:
myk70007 said:
When Navas joined City, I thought he would set the Premier League alight. However, I have to say, that he is one of the worst wingers in the top flight.

1- He delivers maybe one decent cross a game or two if you are being kind
2- He spends most of the game hitting the first defender with utterly hopeless balls
3- He has no left foot and cant turn inside the defender so everyone knows where he is going.
4- His shooting is sub-standard
5- He loses the momentum in good situations and wastes so many excellent opportunities on the counter attack
6- I have no idea why he takes the crosses. He cant clear the near post.
7- I will be astounded if he is first choice winger next season.

In 22 league appearances, he has only provided 6 assists and no goals! That is pathetic. Please buy a quality winger!
We all thought that Navas will become a world class winger under Pellegrini, unfortunately the material is not there. Probably he is the most predictable player in PL. Even so, he is very good for a substitute. I would definitely keep him but bring a real winger on the right side.
chelsea have Willian, united have Di Maria, arsenal have Sanchez, liverpool have Sterling, even tottenham have Lamela.. We have Navas; is not fair, is it?
both of you are talking shit. points made by myk are all right for the most part except for couple of things (take into context):
1. he was brought in as a back up so firstly to light up the PL comment doesnt hold water. back up for who- Sinclair?!
2. he isnt frst choice. silva and nasri are, injuries means that he has started these many gamestheir base position is not on the wing
3. he cost 15M and he is nowhere near hte worst winger - Oscar cost 17m
4. he so often has no one to aim in the box. the goal we scored, only milner was close with Kun at the edge of the box and silva only just drifting in he has more options than just a cross

as for rapid. Lamela is a failure uptil now, Di maria cost 4 times more, and sanchez twice as much. and when you buy a player at 27-28 you dont buy them with the notion that "We all thought that Navas will become a world class winger under Pellegrini". we bbuy them cuz they are fully developed with little to no room of improvement and we want their instant impact and he made that. I also wonder who you mean by "we". Oh and Willian, he doesnt nothing and cost 30M+ and chelsea have already brought in a replacement for him
Yeah, right.. So if we buy someone as a backup and is cheap as well(Navas wasn t that cheap), he is out of criticism.
As for instant impact- you just said he was brought as a backup. Make your mind!
 
rapidCT said:
myk70007 said:
When Navas joined City, I thought he would set the Premier League alight. However, I have to say, that he is one of the worst wingers in the top flight.

1- He delivers maybe one decent cross a game or two if you are being kind
2- He spends most of the game hitting the first defender with utterly hopeless balls
3- He has no left foot and cant turn inside the defender so everyone knows where he is going.
4- His shooting is sub-standard
5- He loses the momentum in good situations and wastes so many excellent opportunities on the counter attack
6- I have no idea why he takes the crosses. He cant clear the near post.
7- I will be astounded if he is first choice winger next season.

In 22 league appearances, he has only provided 6 assists and no goals! That is pathetic. Please buy a quality winger!
We all thought that Navas will become a world class winger under Pellegrini, unfortunately the material is not there. Probably he is the most predictable player in PL. Even so, he is very good for a substitute. I would definitely keep him but bring a real winger on the right side.
chelsea have Willian, united have Di Maria, arsenal have Sanchez, liverpool have Sterling, even tottenham have Lamela.. We have Navas; is not fair, is it?


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