Political relations between UK-EU

[Deleted member 77198]

Whatever subject poeople don’t have to be politically active to have any opinion on something or want to discuss it. Can’t see why you are making a big deal of it. Besides we are where we are and nothing will make this government change course until public opinion changes. As businesses fail and people lose jobs that will happen, and as elections approach so might government policies.
As long as there is a thread about it posters will point out things going wrong, or if they happen things going right. Just the same as any thread really, nobody expects a post on here to change anything.

I’m making a big deal about it because all I see is repetitive negative spamming. I don’t see this as a discussion thread. I see it as a thread of pushing negativity and drowning positivity. Anything and everything from the start point to now (in the thread’s various chapters), that in any way could be deemed as a positive, has been repressed from what I see as a team of spammers.

I pop into this thread maybe once a month, sometimes more frequently, and when I’ve caught up with the posts all I see is that the same tactics are used, the same things are repeated, and I’ve grown so bored of it (and I’m not even in here all that often), I thought it was about time to see what these people actually did about something they’re so extremely opposed to... and it was almost nothing.

And this just cements my view of what the Left have become. The Left was historically a side of politics that were proactive and progressive, now I think literally all they do is moan and try and tell everyone how shit everything is and how shit all our lives are. People scratch their heads at why people switch off from the Left, but that’s the reason.

 

[bluebaja]

Rascal - you know that I enjoy your posts, but - really - Polly Toynbee

Might has well just asked Bob FFS

Actually - that prompts an interesting thought - have Bob and Polly Toynbee been ever seen in the same room?

You would get more sense out of Bob Marley than Polly Toynbee....

 

[blueparrot]

I’m making a big deal about it because all I see is repetitive negative spamming. I don’t see this as a discussion thread. I see it as a thread of pushing negativity and drowning positivity. Anything and everything from the start point to now (in the thread’s various chapters), that in any way could be deemed as a positive, has been repressed from what I see as a team of spammers.

I pop into this thread maybe once a month, sometimes more frequently, and when I’ve caught up with the posts all I see is that the same tactics are used, the same things are repeated, and I’ve grown so bored of it (and I’m not even in here all that often), I thought it was about time to see what these people actually did about something they’re so extremely opposed to.

Repressed by who, I’ve directly asked at least 3 posters to give me some positives to counter balance all the negatives I’m seeing, seems to be problems for a different sector highlighted everyday. They have never replied with any, not one. If they had they be on here for people to read and discuss.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I never mentioned permission, I asked what makes people think they have a point if they did nowt.

Seems you did get off your arse. It obviously didn’t work, as not enough people actually got off their arses to do something, multiple things, to stop Brexit happening.

But my next question would be, instead of the masochism of trying to bask in reflected glory for something most people did nothing to stop happening even though they never have and never will oppose something so much in their life... what is the solution?!

Because the solution is certainly not to come on to Bluemoon and moan for years on end about this. That will change precisely fuck all. So what are you going to do about this situation to make it better?

Brexit has happened. The only thing to do now is to try and fix forward all the shit that is impacting some sectors of the economy. Some stuff might be fixable some not. Personally, I joined the SNP a month or so ago and will do what I can to rejoin the EU through an independent Scotland. Wether the current government of Scotland have the capability to pull that off is something I will wrestle with.
what about you? You happy with the way this is playing out?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Repressed by who, I’ve directly asked at least 3 posters to give me some positives to counter balance all the negatives I’m seeing, seems to be problems for a different sector highlighted everyday. They have never replied with any, not one. If they had they be on here for people to read and discuss.

Well here’s two off the top of my head:
We’ve got 60+ trade deals in place, we were told in this thread would not happen, in the last 11 months.
We now have an excellent immigration policy.

As time progresses, things are ironed out, we’ll see many more.

I’ve always been a big Eurosceptic but I voted Remain in 2016 because I didn’t trust the Tories to lead us through this, and it was a bit too soon after the World Financial Crisis. If we’d done this with a better Political party in about another 15 years I think that would have been the ideal time.

But I’m not too bothered that we have left, despite the shit govt, depsite it being a bit soon after 2007-08 crash, despite the fact there will be some grave problems early doors; because I know long term that Britain will be a better country outside the EU by the time the children of this country are adults, than it is now and certainly than it would be by that time if we’d stayed in.

 

[jaseirai]

Off the top of my head in the time frame of writing one post I came up with:
Demanding to speak to your local MP to question the inept or even complete lack of tactics used by the Remain campaign.
Create blogs/video channels/websites, organise meetings in your area, or even go door-to-door, to try and educate people further than what the Remain campaign were failing at doing.
Even getting involved in the Remain campaign.

If I was as passionate about Remain winning/Brexit not happening as some on this thread appear to be (look at the posting rates on this thread, it wasn’t even left alone on Christmas Day morning for fuck’s sake!) but I did close to nothing else but vote a few times, I wouldn’t be coming on Bluemoon to moan about it every day, I’d be looking back at what I did (fuck all) with my head in my hands thinking “why the fuck didn’t I do more?!” and then I’d be actioning something for the future to make things better, not making the same mistake of doing fuck all other than moaning on Bluemoon.

Remain ran an incredibly effective campaign following the 2016 referendum. Calling leavers thick, uneducated gammon really drove the 2019 elections to a successful outcome. I'm not sure they could have done any more.

 

[blueparrot]

Well here’s two off the top of my head:
We’ve got 60+ trade deals in place, we were told in this thread would not happen, in the last 11 months.
We now have an excellent immigration policy.

As time progresses, things are ironed out, we’ll see many more.

I’ve always been a big Eurosceptic but I voted Remain in 2016 because I didn’t trust the Tories to lead us through this, and it was a bit too soon after the World Financial Crisis. If we’d done this with a better Political party in about another 15 years I think that would have been the ideal time.

But I’m not too bothered that we have left, despite the shit govt, depsite it being a bit soon after 2007-08 crash, despite the fact there will be some grave problems early doors; because I know long term that Britain will be a better country outside the EU by the time the children of this country are adults, than it is now and certainly than it would be by that time if we’d stayed in.

It remains to be seen but I think the immigration policy will be far worse for UK business than freedom of movement, far too much expensive bureaucracy and hurdles to overcome, especially for seasonal work. But then I‘m a great believer in fom. As far as I know the 60 trade deals are just those we already had and copied over.
Like saddleworth, my voting intentions will be for the SNP in May and in the future to rejoin through independence.
The only thing that would influence that vote would be rejoining the single market, customs union and a return of free movement.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Off the top of my head in the time frame of writing one post I came up with:
Demanding to speak to your local MP to question the inept or even complete lack of tactics used by the Remain campaign.
Create blogs/video channels/websites, organise meetings in your area, or even go door-to-door, to try and educate people further than what the Remain campaign were failing at doing.
Even getting involved in the Remain campaign.

If I was as passionate about Remain winning/Brexit not happening as some on this thread appear to be (look at the posting rates on this thread, it wasn’t even left alone on Christmas Day morning for fuck’s sake!) but I did close to nothing else but vote a few times, I wouldn’t be coming on Bluemoon to moan about it every day, I’d be looking back at what I did (fuck all) with my head in my hands thinking “why the fuck didn’t I do more?!” and then I’d be actioning something for the future to make things better, not making the same mistake of doing fuck all other than moaning on Bluemoon.

If you don’t like this thread, and it seems you don’t, why are you on it mate? Are you really telling folk they shouldn’t be talking about the biggest political change of most of our lifetime and the ramifications of that change three weeks after it has been implemented?

that would seem a strange argument to try and win.
Or maybe your just having a bit of fun with folk like others on here try?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Neil Hudson is in Parliament as I type this saying that anyone who enters into a trade deal with us, when it comes to food standards, they have to move up to our food standards to trade with us.

The Global Food Security Index (GFSI) placed the UK in third place for food standards. GFSI found the following 10 counties to have the top overall scores for affordability, availability and quality and safety:
1 Singapore
2 Ireland
3 UK
3= USA
5 Netherlands
6 Australia
7 Switzerland
8 Finland
9 Canada
10 France

Another done by the Conference Board of Canada ranked us in fourth in their World Ranking of Food Safety Performance:
1 Singapore
2 Ireland
3 France
4 UK
5 USA

This particular study focused on three major areas, these being:

• Food safety risk management
• Food safety risk assessment
• Food safety risk communication

 

[BobKowalski]

Well here’s two off the top of my head:
We’ve got 60+ trade deals in place, we were told in this thread would not happen, in the last 11 months.
We now have an excellent immigration policy.

As time progresses, things are ironed out, we’ll see many more.

I’ve always been a big Eurosceptic but I voted Remain in 2016 because I didn’t trust the Tories to lead us through this, and it was a bit too soon after the World Financial Crisis. If we’d done this with a better Political party in about another 15 years I think that would have been the ideal time.

But I’m not too bothered that we have left, despite the shit govt, depsite it being a bit soon after 2007-08 crash, despite the fact there will be some grave problems early doors; because I know long term that Britain will be a better country outside the EU by the time the children of this country are adults, than it is now and certainly than it would be by that time if we’d stayed in.

We did a copy and paste on the deals, in some cases time limited and in the majority more limited than the EU negotiated deals.
Our immigration policy is a bad one and won’t last five minutes on contact with reality (a bit like the EU deal)

We won’t be better off in the long term.

Also it’s intellectually incoherent to ‘champion trade deals’ and ‘champion raising trade barriers’ in the same post. At least try and be consistent.