Political relations between UK-EU

[stonerblue]

I don't know if I would be in your target audience for this but the reason I didn't reply is because I think your point lacks merit. I agree it's pretty futile to moan about how Brexit is going, like it's pretty futile to predict a team line up before a match, complain about the presence of particular players, moan through the matchday thread and after if we lose, unless of course you are going to personally contact pep with some advice on how he can set the team up better. If we were to steer clear of futile exercises on bluemoon then all we would have left to post in would be worsleywebs what are you doing this weekend threads. (Which I'm not knocking by the way)

Brexit was a complex issue that most of us, if we're being honest, would say we couldn't fully comprehend, let alone have the time to research in depth and then campaign on, most of us don't have the time, or the inclination, to get so immersed in a subject and campaign about it and I'm sure many of us voted without the full knowledge of how it would end up but with a leaning towards remain or leave that may have had an emotional aspect to it.

Naively or otherwise we tend to rely on "experts" to advise us but when there were such conflicting views about the potential impact of Brexit it's no wonder that most people would have gone with their gut instincts and then leant towards the information that supported that view.

Both sides made pretty definitive statements- the remain side did indeed run a pretty poor campaign and some of their most drastic predictions haven't come true. The leave side for their part made some promises which have been shown to be lies and we see daily stories of those who have or are losing out because of Brexit. The upsides, if and when they come are likely a long way off.

I'm resigned to us being out, I think it's a mistake but see no value in campaigning to return. Does my somewhat passive approach to the referendum in the lead up and since disbar me from having a view and the right to express it? Does it fuck.

We are in the middle of a pandemic, people's mental health is suffering and we're a little stir crazy. Meanwhile Brexit is unravelling before our eyes. Nobody is forced to come on this thread, there are hundreds of others but it is absolutely relevant to post links to stories outlining the actual effects of Brexit, not the perceived or predicted ones. Those who advocated Brexit and remain confident that it is a good idea are free to post alternative views and maybe, just maybe, there might be shift as the good news begins to outweigh the bad. At the moment though the positives you posted elsewhere feel like little more than consolation goals in a 5-1 drubbing.

Excellent

 

[Didsbury Dave]

IYeah nowt wrong with that in my view. Like I said, I voted Remain for short term selfishness, but in the long term this country will be better off out of the EU so am happy to take the pinch in my life for a better life for future generations.

Fortunately the future generations are a bit more outward looking than the boomers and bellends who vandalised our country and their future. They’ll have us back in the EU as soon as the chance comes. So those decades of ‘pinch’ or whatever bollocks you called it will just be incalculable amounts of money and opportunity wasted.

 

[stonerblue]

Finding it hard to track this conversation. Not a single thing is sticking.

Belt up then.

 

[SWP's back]

If only we’d known.

 

[Vic]

group.Fortunately the future generations are a bit more outward looking than the boomers and bellends who vandalised our country and their future. They’ll have us back in the EU as soon as the chance comes. So those decades of ‘pinch’ or whatever bollocks you called it will just be incalculable amounts of money and opportunity wasted.

I'm not sure we'd get all the other nations agreeing to our rejoining. I'm not sure EFTA would want us, throwing our weight around in that group. I think we'll just calculate that it's worth stumping up £10bn a year just to get back into the SM, if they'll let us pay for that without actually rejoining.

 

[blueish swede]

Would our Vaccine rollout be as good as this if we were in the EU

Just feels we're way ahead of Europe in the roll out of vaccines, not sure if that's just a coincidence we have left

Define good.

Data from Israel seems to indicate the first shot gives much less protection than the manufacturers claim, bringing into question the policy of delaying the second shot. The UK is ignoring the advice of the vaccine manufacturers and going against the warnings from the WHO and not giving the second dose at three weeks. This is extremely dangerous and extremely foolhardy because it increases the likelhood that the virus will mutate and become immune to the vaccine.

The UKs failed Covid policy has already spread one UK variant to over 50 countries across the globe, A variant that is more virulent than the earlier variants and one that has caused a lock down in the UK and has put enormous strain on the NHS. That pattern will probably be repeated in country after country where the UK variant takes hold. Compare that to Denmark, who have eradicated the variant that originated there.

The UK is putting the whole world at unnecessary risk for the political popularity of one obnoxious individual. I think you would find it difficult to find anyone who isn't subject to the continuous inane propaganda in the UK media that would consider that "good" or "way ahead".

 

[west didsblue]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55725718
Oh well....
So much for buccaneering Britain.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I'm not sure we'd get all the other nations agreeing to our rejoining. I'm not sure EFTA would want us, throwing our weight around in that group. I think we'll just calculate that it's worth stumping up £10bn a year just to get back into the SM, if they'll let us pay for that without actually rejoining.

I think things will have to be incredibly bleak here and have us crawling on our bellies begging for re-admittance in the foreseeable future because the price whenever we do will be FoM, ECJ, Euro the whole nine yards and going back on worse terms than we had will be a really hard sell - unless things are so bad here that anything will do......at which point the EU will be aware of that and we will be at their mercy.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The UK is putting the whole world at unnecessary risk for the political popularity of one obnoxious individual. I think you would find it difficult to find anyone who isn't subject to the continuous inane propaganda in the UK media that would consider that "good" or "way ahead".

Yeah but he " Got Christmas Done " fella ( don't mention over 100k dead and highest daily death total - thats inhuman )

 

[bluethrunthru]

ha ha so true