Political relations between UK-EU

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Maybe it is relevant in here.....to lighten the mood...


A bit late in posting, but a delightful wee reminder of (not just) my predictions that Brexit would enflame The Troubles ™

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"Police are probing a sinister threat made to employees working at Northern Ireland’s Border Control Ports.

The investigation was launched after graffiti warning that “all border post staff are targets” appeared in Larne.

It prompted officials at the Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs (DAERA) to alert the operators of the facilities at Larne, Belfast and Warrenpoint."

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Maybe it is relevant in here.....to lighten the mood...


A bit late in posting, but a delightful wee reminder of (not just) my predictions that Brexit would enflame The Troubles ™

NI News - Breaking News Northern Ireland

Get the latest news from Belfast and throughout Northern Ireland from Belfast to Derry/Londonderry from award-winning journalists.

amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

"Police are probing a sinister threat made to employees working at Northern Ireland’s Border Control Ports.

The investigation was launched after graffiti warning that “all border post staff are targets” appeared in Larne.

It prompted officials at the Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs (DAERA) to alert the operators of the facilities at Larne, Belfast and Warrenpoint."

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maybe they should, you know, just behave for once?

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

maybe they should, you know, just behave for once?

I think you're on to something....

 

[mcfc1632]

No, people were saying the EUs argument was that it wouldn’t be applicable to each recital, which it isn’t. Even the recitals they have an issue with are ambiguous enough to not help them though - the sites being a prime example of it.

You don’t need to define what is meant by best endeavours in this particularly case either btw, both parties defined it themselves in the agreement.

The only solid argument I think the EU would have for breach of the contract is around late notification. Not that I think they’d ever actually go after it though, doesn’t really benefit anyone now and just antagonising a situation that went far too far already.

Nah

What I was saying/suggesting the other day was that there would be such a provision in the agreement

You were being pedantic - and surprisingly snide in the way you commented (which I had not previously noted you for) - that I was leaning on what the press said as I had not seen the contract

I was not needing the press to tell me my opinion - I have experience enough to have been confident in suggesting that a) there would be such a clause and b) the presence of such a clause would render the EU's position weak

Both suggestions have been proven to be absolutely true

Some posters are now hiding about reference to the UK plants - it does not change anything - as the EU have now clearly come to recognise

 

[journolud]

With genuine respect - this is where Remainers on here are stuck in some time warp

Why this attempt to demean membership of CPTPP with membership of the EU?

We as a nation have opted to leave the EU – it is gone – people need to get over it and move on

And with all due respect right back at you, you’ve misunderstood the motive behind my comments and taken a selective part of them to make your point.

I think it’s a reasonable question to ask whether joining the Pacific club will give us as much economic benefit as leaving the EU takes away. Convince me that it isn’t window dressing

 

[meltonblue]

Nah

What I was saying/suggesting the other day was that there would be such a provision in the agreement

You were being pedantic - and surprisingly snide in the way you commented (which I had not previously noted you for) - that I was leaning on what the press said as I had not seen the contract

I was not needing the press to tell me my opinion - I have experience enough to have been confident in suggesting that a) there would be such a clause and b) the presence of such a clause would render the EU's position weak

Both suggestions have been proven to be absolutely true

Some posters are now hiding about reference to the UK plants - it does not change anything - as the EU have now clearly come to recognise

It wasn’t pedantic though, it was the precise argument. That there wasn’t best endeavours was never going to be in any doubt, it’s an APA, there has to be.

The point is it doesn’t apply to everything though. That you kept saying it even after the contract was published makes me think either you’ve not read it or still not understood it.

What renders the EU position weak is the poor wording in article 5 as well as potentially the fact they signed the agreement with a different AZ company. It’s not that they haven’t received the vaccines remember, it’s the reasoning why they haven’t got it.

I do apologise for the tone though, I just saw way too many misrepresentations from a few that I don’t think are even needed. The EU couldn’t have fucked up more in either the initial vaccine procurement or their response to this.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

If we stayed in the EU and they did a trade deal with Australia, China et Al, would you have wanted the UK govt to veto the deal on account of its impact on the climate.?

Or are you a hypocrite?

The UK did a standalone agreement with China in 2014 worth £14.9 billion.

 

[metalblue]

And with all due respect right back at you, you’ve misunderstood the motive behind my comments and taken a selective part of them to make your point.

I think it’s a reasonable question to ask whether joining the Pacific club will give us as much economic benefit as leaving the EU takes away. Convince me that it isn’t window dressing

It’s hard to say. We don’t really know what brexit may have cost the UK (even harder with Covid in the mix). But don’t sniff at the CPTPP, the original TPP was estimated to be worth $125bn to Japan’s economy by 2030 and in terms of GDP with the UK joining the CPTPP is $2-3trn larger than the EU.

There are challenges to the UK joining not least that it may be in direct conflict with the brexit deal in some areas but look it’s interesting and it gives us a voice in APAC region. China is muted to be considering joining (although some of the rules make this complex) and possibly the US may rejoin if Biden can convince them.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think you're on to something....

Reckon so...a stern admonishment to behave themselves will do the trick.

 

[BobKowalski]

And with all due respect right back at you, you’ve misunderstood the motive behind my comments and taken a selective part of them to make your point.

I think it’s a reasonable question to ask whether joining the Pacific club will give us as much economic benefit as leaving the EU takes away. Convince me that it isn’t window dressing

It won’t, no one is seriously suggesting it would are they? We have trade agreements via the EU rollovers with over half of the countries anyway.

No harm in joining the thing, it will make Brexiteers feel better, but to quote Henig it is ‘of marginal economic benefit given that value chains of production remain mostly regional and provisions are limited in services and non-tariff barriers.’

It’s a collection of similar sized countries, so politically it may be useful, collective voice on trade issues, that sort of thing.