Political relations between UK-EU

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Cheesy said:
Perversely, that poster and others like him are less tolerant of anyone with a different point of view to them than most of those they would describe as 'far right'.
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To be clear, I operate a zero tolerance policy. ‘Less’ would be a generous interpretation.

For example, people who have the opinion that masks should not be worn in a pandemic, Covid 19 is a hoax, putting up trade barriers will ‘boost’ trade’.

They are drooling idiots whose views I will not entertain.

‘Zero tolerance, because life is too short to waste’, I’m thinking of having it printed on a t-shirt.
 
Cheesy said:
Perversely, that poster and others like him are less tolerant of anyone with a different point of view to them than most of those they would describe as 'far right'.
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Seeing as Ban was replying to me I assume that is where you were aiming.

I actually try to keep a less confromtational and moderately fair level of diacussion on here and never stoop to making personal insults amd when a debate/arguement is becoming repetative and frustrating I bow out rather than be a **** and I would never advocate stifling debate here, but reserve the right to call someone out for being wrong if necessary

I will call out racist, far right twats and wankers in the political world on here as is my opinion, I welcome others to argue why I am wrong.

Labeling a collection of posters as x, y, & z is more intollerant in my opinion.
 
urban genie said:
Seeing as Ban was replying to me I assume that is where you were aiming.

I actually try to keep a less confromtational and moderately fair level of diacussion on here and never stoop to making personal insults amd when a debate/arguement is becoming repetative and frustrating I bow out rather than be a **** and I would never advocate stifling debate here, but reserve the right to call someone out for being wrong if necessary

I will call out racist, far right twats and wankers in the political world on here as is my opinion, I welcome others to argue why I am wrong.

Labeling a collection of posters as x, y, & z is more intollerant in my opinion.
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It wasn’t your post, it was the one calling conservatives fascists
 
Sovereignty, latest update...via Bloomberg.

‘Spain will have the last word on who enters Gibraltar under a preliminary deal on border arrangements for the U.K. territory,

Foreign Minister Arancha Gonzalez Laya told El Pais:

What we have seen is a change of paradigm which is not made up with concessions but by a convergence of interests between Gibraltarians and Spaniards, both of whom are pro-European,” Gonzalez said. “This is the fruit of Brexit.”
 
Ban-jani said:
It wasn’t your post, it was the one calling conservatives fascists
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Oh right was sure the reply was quoting a reply you made to my post of mime

If not and not aimed at me I am sure Cheesy can accept my comments are not necessary to him and appologies if he get's annoyed by it

(for some reason I cannot @ people anymore)
 
hilts said:
I’m glad you don’t want FOM as it is a policy for idiots, it can never be argued that not having control of something is better than having control.

Cities are crowded but not over crowded and Manchester isn’t over crowded

Err okay:-)
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You live in a Union that has Freedom of Movement between four nations.
 
Ban-jani said:
Around the corner there’s a derelict pub, that was big, that had a huge car park. It’s boarded up now.

You could easily get dozens of flats or possibly 3/4 houses on that land.

Just down from me, another derelict pub, with an even bigger car park, it was a hotel as well. Again, maybe a hundred flats on that land or even 10 houses down there.

This is just within a 2 minute drive of my house in either direction.

I live in a pretty rural area and it’s a big town.
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Who's stopping it?
 
A piece in the NYT about where Britain is from one person‘s perspective. It is also a piece that seems to find favour with far right nationalists.

‘Britain has lost itself so this grandson of refugees that fled Nazi Germany has taken German citizenship.’

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Britain Has Lost Itself (Published 2021)

My grandparents, who fled Nazi Germany for Britain, would be heartbroken to see the country today.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Which we can now change to suit us, rather than change to suit the EU whether it suits us or not, or not even be allowed to change because it doesn’t suit the EU.
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It's not the EU has caused those crises, it's been government policy, The EU didn't make us cut doctors, nurses, beds, police, libraries, youth clubs, etc etc etc etc etc.
 
Ban-jani said:
I think our countryside is absolutely stunning.

You realise it more when you abroad and see the countryside in other countries.

My Spanish ex mrs said that Britain is the prettiest country in the world when the sun is shining and you’re out in nature.
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It's only pretty in the sun because half the time it's raining.
 
BobKowalski said:
To be clear, I operate a zero tolerance policy. ‘Less’ would be a generous interpretation.

For example, people who have the opinion that masks should not be worn in a pandemic, Covid 19 is a hoax, putting up trade barriers will ‘boost’ trade’.

They are drooling idiots whose views I will not entertain.

‘Zero tolerance, because life is too short to waste’, I’m thinking of having it printed on a t-shirt.
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TBF Bob, wasn't aimed at you :)
 
urban genie said:
Seeing as Ban was replying to me I assume that is where you were aiming.

I actually try to keep a less confromtational and moderately fair level of diacussion on here and never stoop to making personal insults amd when a debate/arguement is becoming repetative and frustrating I bow out rather than be a **** and I would never advocate stifling debate here, but reserve the right to call someone out for being wrong if necessary

I will call out racist, far right twats and wankers in the political world on here as is my opinion, I welcome others to argue why I am wrong.

Labeling a collection of posters as x, y, & z is more intollerant in my opinion.
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Wasn't actually aimed at you fella :-)

I though Ban had responded to someone else.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
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Then you look at a change in the way agriculture is operated to make way for this. Don’t just keep farming going the way it’s been managed for centuries, take it into 21st Century thinking. Which we wouldn’t have been able to under the EU because the EU pays farmers based on how much land they farm rather than the production efficiencies on what they farm.
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That's way too simplistic (or wrong) about the CAP.

"Pillar 1 payments are direct income support payments to farmers. To remove any incentive to overproduce, payment (known in England as the Basic Payment Scheme) is based on the amount of land a farmer owns, not how much they produce. This money comes direct from the EU and is administered by national governments (Defra for farmers in England, the devolved administrations for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland). In order to qualify for payment, farmers have to meet certain standards on environmental management, animal welfare standards and traceability – these conditions are known as ‘cross-compliance’. Member states can also apply market support measures in certain conditions – the UK has used this to support dairy farmers when prices have been particularly low.

"Pillar 2 requires co-financing from member state governments. The EU describes the purposes of this as:
  • fostering the competitiveness of agriculture
  • ensuring the sustainable management of natural resources
  • combating climate change
  • achieving a balanced territorial development of rural economies and communities including the creation and maintenance of employment."
Whereas we are now going to pay farmers for vague environmenatal benefits, and make them sit down with a "trusted agronomist" to advise them (as if most farmers don't already know how soil works). What we're not going to do is subsidise food prices. Enjoy the price rises.
 
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