Political relations between UK-EU

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west didsblue said:
I'm not trying to convince anyone Brexit was a bad idea. The Brexit fans are almost cult like in their beliefs and no amount of evidence of real difficulties for numerous economic sectors will ever convince them that maybe it was the wrong thing to do. The discussion has moved on to discussing these difficulties and how best to address them. For the Brexiteers though, these difficulties are of little interest to them. It appears that their priority is to be the first country in the world to be a member of a regional trade bloc that's in another region, where we already have FTAs with quite a few of the members, so any benefits will be marginal and the obligations are unknown. Bizarre.
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There's also the minor issue that in the coming years we need to see a drastic reduction in the distance goods are shipped due to the incoming catastrophe that is climate change, but maybe that's another remainer conspiracy.
 
Guess what? Its not teething problems - it never was. And here's the kicker - Johnson lied - again

 
bluejon said:
There's also the minor issue that in the coming years we need to see a drastic reduction in the distance goods are shipped due to the incoming catastrophe that is climate change, but I'm maybe that's another remainer conspiracy.
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You must hate the EU then. They've been planning to join and trade with the exact same region! The planet hating swines!

Here, use this space to voice your condemnation of the EU's inconsiderate actions that will worsen climate change...




















That was a good rant, nice one!
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
You must hate the EU then. They've been planning to join and trade with the exact same region! The planet hating swines!

Here, use this space to voice your condemnation of the EU's inconsiderate actions that will worsen climate change...




















That was a good rant, nice one!
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I see the level of debate with you is as incisive as ever. Never change.
 
bluejon said:
I see the level of debate with you is as incisive as ever. Never change.
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I see you've dodged the hypocrisy you've spouted.

EU are doing it as well. Where is your condemnation on behalf of climate change?
 
all this banging on about sovereignty whilst industries perish and NI moves nearer the UK exit - leavers are like a blind man triumphantly stood next to a car ranting about his rights to drive it - oblivious to the fact the car has hit a tree and there is a trail of damaged cars behind him along the street he has just driven down..............
 
bluejon said:
Erm, coming out my gob when I condemn the climate crisis, the single biggest threat to our species?
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Ah, just not to the EU specifically for wanting to do it. Only when our own UK Government is entertaining the idea themselves as a critique of brexit choices, do you feel the need to highlight the affect it will have on climate change.

I see. Hypocrisy at its finest. :D

Simple question; would you want to be part of an EU that signed an agreement to increase trade in the Pacific region, thus potentially increasing climate change? I mean the world IS either going to have to reduce trading with each other worldwide OR come up with an alternative power system for the freighters. In any case, our decision to join the Pacific trade CPTPP is not a discussion needing to be had, regarding climate change, is it. So why bring it up in this context?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Ah, just not to the EU specifically for wanting to do it. Only when our own UK Government is entertaining the idea themselves as a critique of brexit choices, do you feel the need to highlight the affect it will have on climate change.

I see. Hypocrisy at its finest. :D

Simple question; would you want to be part of an EU that signed an agreement to increase trade in the Pacific region, thus potentially increasing climate change? I mean the world IS either going to have to reduce trading with each other worldwide OR come up with an alternative power system for the freighters. In any case, our decision to join the Pacific trade CPTPP is not a discussion needing to be had, regarding climate change, is it. So why bring it up in this context?
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Because you lot are super happy that we're joining a trade block in the Pacific and that idea is dumb as fuck. It's completely relevant. Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere. I will leave you too your sunny uplands whilst I lament the mess brexit is making. In some ways, I wish I was as delusional as your good self as I would be significantly happier about everything. Reality is a bitch.
 
bluejon said:
Because you lot are super happy that we're joining a trade block in the Pacific and that idea is dumb as fuck. It's completely relevant. Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere. I will leave you too your sunny uplands whilst I lament the mess brexit is making. In some ways, I wish I was as delusional as your good self as I would be significantly happier about everything. Reality is a bitch.
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"Super happy"? I'd say it's more encouraging and is evident of our "Global Britain" stance we advocated for.

I know why you brought up climate change; UK leaves EU, close bloc. Applies to join CPTPP, far bloc. Far means distance, distance means burn more fuel to power freighters. UK join CPTPP increase climate change, ergo bad. Brexit bad, brexit kill planet.

BUT, the EU was also planning the same thing and you've never mentioned it before. Hell they already have trade deals with Canada and Japan. But up until now you've never mentioned that EU trade deals with Canada and Japan are bad deals and will damage the planet. You've no credibility on this stance if you're against one and say nothing of the other. You're showing a selective bias and now you've been found out you're running away.

Yes, you lament and remain bitter, i'll look positively and optimistically to our future with our friends in the Pacific, a rapidly growing trade bloc (and one the EU also wants to be part of, but again, not a word from you about that)
 
bluejon said:
Because you lot are super happy that we're joining a trade block in the Pacific and that idea is dumb as fuck. It's completely relevant. Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere. I will leave you too your sunny uplands whilst I lament the mess brexit is making. In some ways, I wish I was as delusional as your good self as I would be significantly happier about everything. Reality is a bitch.
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Why is it dumb?

We were trading with China hundred of years ago, why can’t we now?
 
Ban-jani said:
They weren’t aware that smoking caused cancer either, what’s your point?
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My point was that prioritising trade deals with countries on the other side of the planet isn't the smartest thing to be doing right now. I thought I was pretty clear in that, but I know you like an argument, so carry on.
 
Ban-jani said:
Why is it dumb?

We were trading with China hundred of years ago, why can’t we now?
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It's either everyone across the world stops trading with each other worldwide, destroying economies, jobs, incentives but saves the planet, or we find new ways to power the freighters so trade isn't interrupted. We achieve this by working together, creating new technologies, methods and systems that keeps trade flowing, people in jobs that works towards zero emissions.

Or just say fuck the world, I guess :)
 
bluejon said:
My point was that prioritising trade deals with countries on the other side of the planet isn't the smartest thing to be doing right now. I thought I was pretty clear in that, but I know you like an argument, so carry on.
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Stupid EU then, doing deals with Canada and Japan which are both on opposite sides of the world to the EU across vast oceans. Go on, let rip at the EU's short-sightedness.
 
I'll say it again for the hard of thinking. Joining a regional trade bloc isn't the same as having a FTA. Being a member of a bloc is more than just about free trade. It's about harmonising standards, movement of capital and people as well as goods etc. It's not just the EU that does this. Many trade blocs do similar to varying extents.
Joining a regional trade bloc on the other side of the world is just weird.
 
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