Political relations between UK-EU

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Ban-jani said:
It’s worse than I thought then.

They’ve put that there and it’s not even in relation to the story.
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Try reading nearly any article on nearly any website and see how often you see links to related stories.
Then try reading an article properly before calling it disingenuous.
 
Ban-jani said:
Has anyone genuinely experienced this, as the article suggests?

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I am not saying this isn’t happening but I’ve been in Aldi, Sainsbury’s, Morrison’s, Tesco etc. all since January 1st and not a single time have I witnessed empty shelves or fruit/veg baskets.
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I would say it's a regular occurrence in my local Co-op, but I think that's a combination of Covid and having comically inept staff.
 
Ban-jani said:
Well showing empty supermarket baskets/shelves suggests a food crisis.
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It suggests a shortage not a crisis and nor will there be a crisis since the UK is not imposing customs checks on imports from the EU until June, and probably not even then.

The EU imposed customs checks from Jan 1st, the UK didn’t as it doesn’t have the capacity to do so. There is some leniency on the EU side as UK firms have 12 months to collate and present export data, including product origin, to prove they are eligible for tariff exemptions.
 
Times Radio...not a huge surprise.

‘A very grumpy British government agrees to the EU’s formal request to delay its ratification of the Brexit trade deal until April 30. One to watch closely. If NI Protocol talks turn bad, might the EU play hardball and refuse to ratify at all?‘
 
December 2020 - Isle of Mann wins right to decide access to it’s fishing waters.

‘Speaking in the Tynwald, the Chief Minister said the EU had demanded access to Manx waters stressing without access for bloc vessels, there would be difficulty exporting island goods.’

www.express.co.uk

EU ships welcomed as Isle of Man agrees deal on fishing

The Isle of Man has allowed bloc boats to fish in waters around the coast of the British Crown Dependency.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
BobKowalski said:
December 2020 - Isle of Mann wins right to decide access to it’s fishing waters.

‘Speaking in the Tynwald, the Chief Minister said the EU had demanded access to Manx waters stressing without access for bloc vessels, there would be difficulty exporting island goods.’

www.express.co.uk

EU ships welcomed as Isle of Man agrees deal on fishing

The Isle of Man has allowed bloc boats to fish in waters around the coast of the British Crown Dependency.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
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"Plunder waters"

PMSL. Can always rely on the Express for a bit of good old rhetoric.
 
How far do Manx waters extend? Halfway to the rest of the UK?

More people for the Express to "other".
 
van der Leyen has explained today that the EU has done more vaccinations than the UK & Italy has done more second shots than us so it's all good apparently (source: Telegraph article). Can anyone explain the concept of proportionality to her please as the population of the EU is seven times higher than the UK.

Oh, and 130 countries haven't vaccinated anyone.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
van der Leyen has explained today that the EU has done more vaccinations than the UK & Italy has done more second shots than us so it's all good apparently (source: Telegraph article). Can anyone explain the concept of proportionality to her please as the population of the EU is seven times higher than the UK.

Oh, and 130 countries haven't vaccinated anyone.
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Are those 130 countries part of a rapidly expanded EU?
 
journolud said:
Are those 130 countries part of a rapidly expanded EU?
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You’ll need to ask Fond of Lying.

“The president of the European Commission responded to criticism that the EU vaccination roll out was too slow by pointing out that 130 countries in the world had had no jabs at all.”
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
van der Leyen has explained today that the EU has done more vaccinations than the UK & Italy has done more second shots than us so it's all good apparently (source: Telegraph article). Can anyone explain the concept of proportionality to her please as the population of the EU is seven times higher than the UK.

Oh, and 130 countries haven't vaccinated anyone.
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Yes, because she really needs to be told that it's a race and that we're winning and the EU's shit to make us feel good about ourselves and to justify us leaving the EU, even though her comments were to a German newspaper for domestic consumption.
 
west didsblue said:
Yes, because she really needs to be told that it's a race and that we're winning and the EU's shit to make us feel good about ourselves and to justify us leaving the EU, even though her comments were to a German newspaper for domestic consumption.
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And unsurprisingly her comments (to the Augsburger Allgemeine https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.d...t-der-Menschen-nachvollziehen-id59182696.html) have been taken out of context in the Telegraph account. Over the course of the interview she's giving an account of the EU vaccination strategy, acknowledging failures (not only when pressured to do so by the interviewer), and trying to put a positive spin on things while presenting evidence she views as favourable. As any politician does. There's nothing sinister or even especially noteworthy about what she says in the interview - which anyone can read for themselves with the aid of https://translate.google.com.
 
west didsblue said:
Yes, because she really needs to be told that it's a race and that we're winning and the EU's shit to make us feel good about ourselves and to justify us leaving the EU, even though her comments were to a German newspaper for domestic consumption.
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It is a race, though. Not between individual countries or blocs as in the case of the EU but against Covid. Once again she criticises the UK approach rather than concentrating on their own.

It is also a fact that the AZ vaccine has been so successfully undermined in the EU generally that people are turning it down. I can’t see it being used to any great extent there as people will be demanding Pfizer, Moderna or others maybe as they are approved as they regard AZ as second best.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
It is a race, though. Not between individual countries or blocs as in the case of the EU but against Covid. Once again she criticises the UK approach rather than concentrating on their own.

It is also a fact that the AZ vaccine has been so successfully undermined in the EU generally that people are turning it down. I can’t see it being used to any great extent there as people will be demanding Pfizer, Moderna or others maybe as they are approved as they regard AZ as second best.
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I assume you're basing your comments on the Telegraph's article where they've cherry picked parts of the Augsburger Allgemeine article and left out the context.

This thread is supposed to be about UK-EU relations and the fact that our newspapers and some Brexit supporters appear to be fixated on the internal machinations of the EU's vaccine rollout process smacks of a certain level of insecurity about our own position on Brexit and fulfils a need to reassure ourselves that we've done the right thing leaving. In reality their vaccine programme will only have a marginal effect on us in that, at worst, it might delay travel to and from EU countries for a month or two until they catch up. Other than that it's really none of our business and why should anyone here be bothered now that we've left the EU?

You have made a valid point about the AZ vaccine being undermined but that article says that Von Der Leyen said that she would happily take the AZ vaccine and that she has no concerns. However if the EU citizens don't want it that's their lookout and it means there'll be more available for the RoW quicker.
 
west didsblue said:
I assume you're basing your comments on the Telegraph's article where they've cherry picked parts of the Augsburger Allgemeine article and left out the context.

This thread is supposed to be about UK-EU relations and the fact that our newspapers and some Brexit supporters appear to be fixated on the internal machinations of the EU's vaccine rollout process smacks of a certain level of insecurity about our own position on Brexit and fulfils a need to reassure ourselves that we've done the right thing leaving. In reality their vaccine programme will only have a marginal effect on us in that, at worst, it might delay travel to and from EU countries for a month or two until they catch up. Other than that it's really none of our business and why should anyone here be bothered now that we've left the EU?

You have made a valid point about the AZ vaccine being undermined but that article says that Von Der Leyen said that she would happily take the AZ vaccine and that she has no concerns. However if the EU citizens don't want it that's their lookout and it means there'll be more available for the RoW quicker.
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I didn’t realise that you decided what is suitable for this thread or not.

I stand by my comments but feel free not to agree with them..

Edit: further evidence of the inevitable outcome of the EUs attempt to discredit AZ on the Guardian live blog


www.theguardian.com

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