Post counts

steviemc said:
Am I missing something here?

Surely you can identify new posters by the the 'joined date' which is still clearly visible. If a Rag or WUM is going to have a go over a specific match/transfer/player/or whatever it's unlikely they're going to join in August and wait till December make their first posts and cause grief.

Why is the post count more important than the joined date when identifying Rags or WUM's? I'd be genuinely interested to know.
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Agreed!

...and Nov 2013? you're obviously a glory-hunter so not a proper Blue ;-)
 
steviemc said:
Am I missing something here?

Surely you can identify new posters by the the 'joined date' which is still clearly visible. If a Rag or WUM is going to have a go over a specific match/transfer/player/or whatever it's unlikely they're going to join in August and wait till December make their first posts and cause grief.

Why is the post count more important than the joined date when identifying Rags or WUM's? I'd be genuinely interested to know.
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You've given them ideas now!! The forums doomed!
 
Ric said:
I've started this thread just to stop other topics getting derailed.

You may recall there was a thread a while ago about how we can improve things on the forum, and one of the things that came up a few times was removing post counts. It was felt that it served no real purpose, and that members with low post counts were often treated with suspicion and accused of being wums.

As such I removed post counts yesterday whilst doing some routine maintenance on the site. It seems some people have strong opinions on this, so thought it'd be useful to start a new topic. I've no real preference on this either way (although the rag/wum accusations to new posters is starting to grate and needs to be addressed), so am happy to see what the consensus is.

I should point out that you can still see a user's post count by clicking on their username. It's just not displayed by default next to their posts.
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I would like to think it would stop people just making posts to bump up their post count. In theory it should improve the content on the forum but many people already have bad habits
 
Thanks for all the feedback so far, it's much appreciated. I'm a bit surprised by some of the consternation, but as I've said, nothing is set in stone. There are clearly pros and cons to it, judging by the responses so far!

There will no doubt be some unhappy people whatever we decide, but please bear in mind we don't do things to intentionally piss people off. That would be self-defeating.

Can see why people find post counts useful in terms of recognising users or establishing trustworthiness (particularly in the ticket forum), but equally think that posts should generally be taken at face value and don't really like the confrontational approach taken to some with low post counts. Every post should be judged on its merits, and the constant rag/wum accusations can be tiresome.

Anyway, we'll see how things go before making a decision. It's not really that big a deal in the scheme of things if post counts aren't displayed for a week or so.
 
Ric said:
Thanks for all the feedback so far, it's much appreciated. I'm a bit surprised by some of the consternation, but as I've said, nothing is set in stone. There are clearly pros and cons to it, judging by the responses so far!

There will no doubt be some unhappy people whatever we decide, but please bear in mind we don't do things to intentionally piss people off. That would be self-defeating.

Can see why people find post counts useful in terms of recognising users or establishing trustworthiness (particularly in the ticket forum), but equally think that posts should generally be taken at face value and don't really like the confrontational approach taken to some with low post counts. Every post should be judged on its merits, and the constant rag/wum accusations can be tiresome.

Anyway, we'll see how things go before making a decision. It's not really that big a deal in the scheme of things if post counts aren't displayed for a week or so.
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Ric just get the last poster to show on a mobile, I don't care if someone's got one post of 50,000, but that makes looking at who's posting hard. End up looking at my own half the time
 
andyhinch said:
Ric just get the last poster to show on a mobile, I don't care if someone's got one post of 50,000, but that makes looking at who's posting hard. End up looking at my own half the time
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Sorry mate, not sure what you mean about "last poster to show on a mobile"?
 
Ric said:
Sorry mate, not sure what you mean about "last poster to show on a mobile"?
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I.e you can't see the last poster on a thread, all I get is the time of the last post, get a lot more info on a desktop/laptop, but it's very hard to see who's posted as it is as an example, if I click on this thread, op Ric, Last post 1 minute ago, no idea who bye, just find it frustrating, having said that it's not going to kill me, still looking forward to the next 8 weeks :)
 
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Ric said:
Thanks for all the feedback so far, it's much appreciated. I'm a bit surprised by some of the consternation, but as I've said, nothing is set in stone. There are clearly pros and cons to it, judging by the responses so far!

There will no doubt be some unhappy people whatever we decide, but please bear in mind we don't do things to intentionally piss people off. That would be self-defeating.

Can see why people find post counts useful in terms of recognising users or establishing trustworthiness (particularly in the ticket forum), but equally think that posts should generally be taken at face value and don't really like the confrontational approach taken to some with low post counts. Every post should be judged on its merits, and the constant rag/wum accusations can be tiresome.

Anyway, we'll see how things go before making a decision. It's not really that big a deal in the scheme of things if post counts aren't displayed for a week or so.
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Hi Ric ... I think the removal of the post counts is a good idea. If you and the mods decide to persist with the change perhaps enabling User Tagging might help people in adapting to the change.

For those not familiar, user tagging would allow each of us to tag our fellow users so that when we see their posts there is a tag we have assigned to them next to their name. As examples, I would tag worsleyweb with "Campus ITK", twosips with "EDS Blogger" and a few on here as "closet rag". User tagging is a helpful shorthand and sure as hell beats post count as a way to filter users and their comments.

Just a thought, feel free to ignore.
 
Seriously wtf is going on with this place recently? Why are you continuously pandering to the vocal minority? A couple people don't like the word **** so you removed it for everyone, a few people couldn't handle being called rags so you remove post counts for everyone. Where is it going to stop? Fucking RAWK is less restrictive than this place is getting.
 
RandomJ said:
Seriously wtf is going on with this place recently? Why are you continuously pandering to the vocal minority? A couple people don't like the word **** so you removed it for everyone, a few people couldn't handle being called rags so you remove post counts for everyone. Where is it going to stop? Fucking RAWK is less restrictive than this place is getting.
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The genius of writing the word **** in s post proclaiming how the forum is fucked because you can't write the word ****.

Oh and for the record, Bluemoon censored the word **** in 2006 so your hypothetical complaints are almost a decade late

And accusations of being overly restrictive and comparisons to RAWK aren't going to work any more. For too long we've allowed ourselves to be guilt tripped into letting everything go because of this type of bullshit from a vocal minority. It ends now, we will do what we feel is best for the forum and you can choose to post here or not.

The only vocal minority we have on this site , despite numerous uninformed myths in this thread, are the group who feel that they can guilt the mods into inaction with complaints of totalitarianism. And for years we've allowed them to cripple us.

The site is growing at an extremely high rate and we can't let these wankers stop us from properly moderating any more
 
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Damocles said:
The genius of writing the word **** in s post proclaiming how the forum is fucked because you can't write the word ****.

Oh and for the record, Bluemoon censored the word **** in 2006 so your hypothetical complaints are almost a decade late
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which **** did that?

:-0
 
steviemc said:
Am I missing something here?

Surely you can identify new posters by the the 'joined date' which is still clearly visible. If a Rag or WUM is going to have a go over a specific match/transfer/player/or whatever it's unlikely they're going to join in August and wait till December make their first posts and cause grief.

Why is the post count more important than the joined date when identifying Rags or WUM's? I'd be genuinely interested to know.
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Because what you said they won't do is actually what they do do. As I say, watch our first meltdown and there will be wums on here who joined years and years ago
 
Damocles said:
The genius of writing the word **** in s post proclaiming how the forum is fucked because you can't write the word ****.

Oh and for the record, Bluemoon censored the word **** in 2006 so your hypothetical complaints are almost a decade late

And accusations of being overly restrictive and comparisons to RAWK aren't going to work any more. For too long we've allowed ourselves to be guilt tripped into letting everything go because of this type of bullshit from a vocal minority. It ends now, we will do what we feel is best for the forum and you can choose to post here or not.

The only vocal minority we have on this site , despite numerous uninformed myths in this thread, are the group who feel that they can guilt the mods into inaction with complaints of totalitarianism. And for years we've allowed them to cripple us.

The site is growing at an extremely high rate and we can't let these wankers stop us from properly moderating any more
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As ric's dimplomatic arm of the forum, you can be a tad truculent at times old chap. It's fun though.
 
This and only this said:
Hi Ric ... I think the removal of the post counts is a good idea. If you and the mods decide to persist with the change perhaps enabling User Tagging might help people in adapting to the change.

For those not familiar, user tagging would allow each of us to tag our fellow users so that when we see their posts there is a tag we have assigned to them next to their name. As examples, I would tag worsleyweb with "Campus ITK", twosips with "EDS Blogger" and a few on here as "closet rag". User tagging is a helpful shorthand and sure as hell beats post count as a way to filter users and their comments.

Just a thought, feel free to ignore.
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I like it
 
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