Post Match Thread: City vs Spurs

Where he was yesterday is currently the best position for him. Whether he's the best in that position is another question entirely. All things being equal, I'd play Silva there but given the injuries, the line-up yesterday was the best we had.

Agree in that he's less trouble to us & more trouble to the oppo in that setup, & then re Silva, he won't shoot, so we have a problem when he plays No 10 as an alternative.

In reality we don't have a real No 10 at the club apart from perhaps DeBruyne. The other option is of course Kelechi who played that role in the U17s but is raw.

Ideally the answer is not to have a No 10 at all imo & put together the strongest 11 who can play & work as a team. I doubt that would ever include Yaya though.
 
I know the talk always seems to focus around Yaya and given the majority of his performances this season it is easy to see why but what is apparent to me is just how poor the rest of our central midfielders are. Yesterday the two Ferns had zero control over the middle of the park, neither of them are technically good enough. Fernando offers absolutely nothing. Fernandinho offers something but I am not always 100% sure what it is, his Sevilla away performances when he ran the show are certainly few and far between. I am not convinced any of the CMs will survive the inevitable Pep cull.

I think Fernandinho is one of the best mids in the world, but he's a runner not a sitter. He spends most of his City career babysitting others who can't/won't run. He should be part of a high energy unit, not the only person with any energy. I don't know if Pep will want him or not, but I'm pretty sure he can cope with whatever Pep requires if he choses to use him.
 
I know the talk always seems to focus around Yaya and given the majority of his performances this season it is easy to see why but what is apparent to me is just how poor the rest of our central midfielders are. Yesterday the two Ferns had zero control over the middle of the park, neither of them are technically good enough. Fernando offers absolutely nothing. Fernandinho offers something but I am not always 100% sure what it is, his Sevilla away performances when he ran the show are certainly few and far between. I am not convinced any of the CMs will survive the inevitable Pep cull.
I think the Pep cull will have to be a full on Mancini rebuild after the Pell/ engineer dimantleing years
 
Kelechi should have been brought on for silva. Was having another bad day and yaya was more likely to create something or score than silva.
 
Anyone mentioned the Danny Rose incident when Kane was down injured? He had the ball just inside his own half and Zab was marking him. He (Rose) made as though he was going to put the ball out then suddenly ran past Zab with the ball. He then put it out further down the pitch but Zab was absolutely fuming and would have chinned him if Kompany hadn't intervened.

At least we didn't give it back.
 
I have to wholeheartedly disagree with this.

Spurs were playing really deep and passing the ball accross their back 4 for long periods, trying to encourage us to press them, and leave space in behind.

That's how they battred us at WHL, they were just running through us from the half way line, we couldn't cope with them on the break.

Yesterday it was crystal clear that we'd been instructed to hold our shape, not press the ball high up the pitch, let Spurs have the ball in their own half, and then try to break on them ourselves with Yaya, Sterling and Aguero.

There were so many around me in the stands who seemingly didn't understand that this was the game plan. Spurs were passing it square along their back 4 for the 100th time and people were screaming "pressure them" "get a bloody tackle in!"

Pellegrini actually got his tactics spot on. Spurs created absolutely nothing, they had one speculative shot from 30 yards. They didn't get behind us once. They scored 3 from getting behind us at WHL.

They got gifted a "penalty" from the worlds biggest **** of a referee who frankly should go on a reality show instead of refereeing as he's only concerned about being on TV and gaining attention. His linesman is also surely the most inept official ever involved in the PL? The same one that allowed Spurs to score 2 blatantly offside goals at WHL, and incorrectly flagged Aguero off at least 3 times yesterday.

After they scored, we came out and took the game to them. We completely outclassed them for that period, it was our best performance for some time. After we scored it looked like only one team was going to win it.

Personally I didn't understand the Kolarov decision at all. He was diabolocal last week, Clichy has been playing superbly well. They'd not troubled our back 4 all afternoon, and Clichy gad just assisted a goal, so if it was a tactical switch it was clearly the wrong call.

There are a lot of positives from yesterday for me though. Kompany back, Yaya looked more interested, Silva played some sublime balls in the second half, we looked solid, tactically disciplined.

Up until the Kolarov substitution I thought the manager got the tactics spot on, so he doesn't deserve criticism for yesterday.

Bloody hell; I'll have to wholeheartedly agree with you.
 
Good post even though I don't necessarily agree with a few bits. When I saw the team, I was happy as we had two covering midfield players in front of the back four and Toure where he should be, at number 10. It was very similar to the Derby, where neither side wanted to attack the other. We held our shape, which is something I've criticised us for not doing enough in the past. No one played great but no one (apart from Aguero) played badly. The two Ferns sat and were generally anonymous but that's because they really didn't get involved in going forward that much. Fernando had a couple of dodgy moments but did a solid enough job.

Our problem was that we were sloppy in possession, winning the ball back then gifting it back to Spurs within a couple of passes. We seemed to have lost our previous ability to retain possession. We only started to cut loose a bit after the penalty and I do wonder what the plan would have been if that hadn't happened. What was disappointing was that we reverted to type with the second goal and opened up like the Red Sea. No one seemed to take responsibility and go to the ball, which will be something Pep addresses.

In hindsight, taking Fernando off was probably the wrong decision but we were going for it at the time.

I agree with a couple of your points, and disagree with a couple.

I agree that we were quite slopping in possession in the first half. We were clearly playing deeper, being more disciplined and holding our defensive shape in the first half especially. I think this was the right call, considering we have been a defensive shambles recently, and Spurs scored 4 against us last time. We conceded possession in order to remain solid and not leaves ourselves vulnerable in behind.

I think the effect that had when we had the ball was that because we were so much deeper than usual, we didn't have the same amount of forward passing options as normal. Also when you don't have possession for long periods, it's inevitable that you are not as composed in your decision making and passing when you eventually do get the ball. That led to us giving the ball away cheaply at times, but personally I think that was probably a consequence of us being deeper and more solid.

Personally I don't think Yaya's best position is as a number 10. He's often brilliant there in the last 10 minutes of games when they become stretched and there is space for him to exploit. I think that's why we defended deeper, to encourage Spurs on to us to create space for Yaya to exploit when running with the ball. He did that a few times and on another day we may have scored from it. But as in the derby at the Swamp showed, I don't think Yaya is very good with his back to goal. Silva is the master in the number 10 position of receiving the ball on the half turn and finding space. I don't think Yaya is very good when he's in front of play, which is where a number 10 spends a lot of the game.

Yaya is better behind the ball with space in front of him. So yesterday by us playing deeper, it allowed us to play to his strengths. But the way we play usually, the number 10 needs to be in front of the ball, and I don't think that suits Yaya at all. Especially when the majority of teams we play don't come and attack us.

For me Yaya's best position now is as a box to box player in a 433. Exactly like we played in Seville. Fernando sat behind giving him the security blanket, and Yaya and Fernandinho pressing. That allows him to dictate play from a bit deeper, stay behind the ball, produce those surging runs from deep. Having the extra man in there means we don't look vulnerable through the middle when we lose possession, and it means Yaya doesn't have to be playing with his back to goal where is much less effective.

The goal undoubtedly sparked us in to life, I guess that was inevitable. But I think we were always going to step it up at some point. I'm often frustrated at Pellegrini's selections. Yesterday I wanted us to go 433, same as Seville. When I saw Yaya as a 10 and Silva on the left I thought he'd fucked up again. But after about 10 minutes it was clear we weren't playing our usual high line pressing game, we were sitting deeper and holding shape. So Pellegrini clearly did have a game plan this week that was specifically designed to deal with the opposition. That's all I have ever asked of him, so it's only fair I credit him for that.

I hate to blame referees and officials, but they clearly had a disproportionate affect on the game yesterday. The way we set up and the way we played, there's no way we deserved to lose that match. They had one shot on goal, from 30 yards. They didn't get behind us once, until the last minute when they scored. Their first corner was on about 75 minutes. Although we didn't have possession, I felt we were in complete control of the game. In the second half Yaya and Silva showed flashes of why they are club legends. If we can perform to the level we did yesterday, we've got a good chance of winning the league.
 
Played well yesterday Kompany looked good and gave the team a lift. We were in control and comfortable until cheatenberg awarded that penalty. My 1 frustration was Clichy for Kolarov just after we scored don't know why he did that. We certainly didn't deserve to lose. Anyway let's hope Vinny can stay fit and we can get some sort of run going.
 
The way we set up and the way we played, there's no way we deserved to lose that match. They had one shot on goal, from 30 yards. They didn't get behind us once, until the last minute when they scored. Their first corner was on about 75 minutes. Although we didn't have possession, I felt we were in complete control of the game. In the second half Yaya and Silva showed flashes of why they are club legends. If we can perform to the level we did yesterday, we've got a good chance of winning the league.

Totally agree. But will Pellegrini set us up accordingly ?
 
We are truly shite at the moment, never even looked like winning in either of the past two games. And why he keeps leaving Kelechi on the bench is completely beyond me. Yaya toure is not a second striker.

And why the hell is Roberts out on loan when we desperately need a winger.
 
He did. He even made a change at half time, swapping the disappointing & non closing down efforts of Silva on the right, with Sterling, which made a big difference to the effectiveness of both teams. The kind of tweak people like me have been asking for, rather than random fucking about (except if he has seen a problem, why not change after ten minutes ?)

But even so, just when it looked like he had realised where our problem lies, with his original team selection, in the end, Spurs ran through the hole Pellegrini created in the middle of our midfield.
He again backed Yaya doing one thing which will win us the game & gambling that we get away without his weaknesses elsewhere being exposed. We didn't. Again. And the oppo manager put fresh legs in there & grabbed the opportunity Pellegrini had given him.

Even on a relatively 'good' day, he is still out performed by the rival manager, & by some distance if you compare their plan & organisation as a team, to ours, which was non existent. We are even being outpassed by teams who are nothing special at keeping possession.

We have a fantastic set of players who are playing at 50% workrate & 50% invention & a manager who gets praise for days when he's almost competent & hasn't been totally ripped apart.

He is so incredibly lucky to have his job.
We are truly shite at the moment, never even looked like winning in either of the past two games. And why he keeps leaving Kelechi on the bench is completely beyond me. Yaya toure is not a second striker.

And why the hell is Roberts out on loan when we desperately need a winger and he wont play for celtic .
 
Thought we played better than Spurs last night. The defence was mostly solid, bar the momentary lapse of concentration that resulted in the second goal (a seemingly recurring theme this season). Pellegrini set up really well for this game. We played much deeper in the first half, so that might explain a lack of attacking attempt. But then for all their pressing and hustle-bustle, Spurs offered as little in attack as we did. They seemed pretty contented to pass the ball back and forth between their defenders after winning the ball. Our passing seemed sharper than in recent matches, especially in the second half, but sometimes we still lost the ball in midfield rather easily, and some of our final balls were well below standard.

But for refereeing blunders, we would have got a win, or at least a draw. The penalty decision was a disgrace because from no angle could the referee perceive Sterling's action as blatant handball, except in his overactive imagination. And thereafter a few dubious offside calls were made against us. What seemed more infuriating was that it was the second time we suffered from unjust ruling by the same referee in this season. Wish we could ban Mark Clattenburg from refereeing our matches ever again.

Was baffled by the substitution for Clichy though. Thought he had defended well. Provided great support in attack as well (e.g. the assist). But I thought the other substitution was fairly reasonable. After the penalty, we needed to be more attacking to get back in the match, and Fernando, despite all he offered defensively, did not keep the ball very well last night. He could not provide great help in transition between attack and defence. As some had pointed out, most of the time he offered no outlet for other midfield players. In that sense, Toure could provide greater support.

Unlike some in this thread, I think Silva and Toure's performance are far from poor. Both of them worked hard and helped out in defence, particularly in the first half. Silva's passing was crisper and more incisive and there were some lovely trademark exchanges between him and Sterling. While he did miss a "sitter" in dying moments of the match, he, as well as Yaya, had played a major part in orchestrating our attack last night. Yaya was partly responsible for the second goal but this time it was not for lack of effort. He just couldn't fulfill the high attacking and defensive demands of his role in a 2-men midfield anymore. But this seems to be the problem of the whole team nowadays.When we were defensive, we didn't offer adequate attacking threat. But when we commited numbers in attack, we left holes in midfield for opponents to exploit. Perhaps part of the problem was our ineffectiveness in attack. Sergio had an off day, missed some great chances, lost the ball constantly and sometimes tried to do to much. Maybe it had something to do with lack of service. After all, we lacked movement around the box, and this had been our problem since December. Injury and resulting fatigue played a part, but it could be something deeper. Hope this could be addressed before long.

Onwards and upwards! The team seemed to be gradually improving, but much more would be required of them from now on. Let's hope they fight until the end.
 
Thank mate. Not sure what you mean by will he set us up accordingly?

Yesterday he set us up to combat Spurs. Will he continue to take the opposition into account as he's clearly capable of. Or will he go back to we 'play our way and don't worry about the opposition'

If you goes with the pragmatic approach I think we can go unbeaten for the rest of the season (assuming we can avoid Clattenburg) which would put us in with a good shout of the title.

Even yesterday we could have easily won despite getting screwed over by Clatts. Sergio is unlikely to keep missing those half chances.
 
Yesterday he set us up to combat Spurs. Will he continue to take the opposition into account as he's clearly capable of. Or will he go back to we 'play our way and don't worry about the opposition'

If you goes with the pragmatic approach I think we can go unbeaten for the rest of the season (assuming we can avoid Clattenburg) which would put us in with a good shout of the title.

Even yesterday we could have easily won despite getting screwed over by Clatts. Sergio is unlikely to keep missing those half chances.

Ah ok, I get you now mate.

I really hope he does start taking the opposition in to account. It's always been my major criticism of him. I understand he wants to stick to his beliefs of attack no matter what, but it's clearly not worked for the last 18 months. It's shit or bust time. He can't put his principles above winning trophies, and this might be his last chance to win a major league title in Europe.

As I said earlier, that disciplined shape and staying a bit deeper and more solid against Spurs won't necessarily be right against every team. It will probably be the right call against Liverpool though, leaving space in behind against them, and having an immobile midfield was absolutely suicide last time, I really hope he's learned from that.

I can't see us winning at Anfield, but after that I'd expect a 0-0 against The Shite at home, and I think we can realistically win every other game. Of course there will be surprises along the way, but we are well in this title race.
 
Ah ok, I get you now mate.

I really hope he does start taking the opposition in to account. It's always been my major criticism of him. I understand he wants to stick to his beliefs of attack no matter what, but it's clearly not worked for the last 18 months. It's shit or bust time. He can't put his principles above winning trophies, and this might be his last chance to win a major league title in Europe.

As I said earlier, that disciplined shape and staying a bit deeper and more solid against Spurs won't necessarily be right against every team. It will probably be the right call against Liverpool though, leaving space in behind against them, and having an immobile midfield was absolutely suicide last time, I really hope he's learned from that.

I can't see us winning at Anfield, but after that I'd expect a 0-0 against The Shite at home, and I think we can realistically win every other game. Of course there will be surprises along the way, but we are well in this title race.
Pragmatism should be his watchword for the rest of the season.
 
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Pragmatism should be his watchword for the rest of the season.

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I completely agree mate!
 

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