Queen Elizabeth II

Keeper! said:
It was far worse when Philip died, some of the propaganda bigging him up verged on the obscene.

He was a very flawed individual and did not deserve the respect that was forced upon one and all by the BBC, the Queen was the complete opposite, a very decent Lady who earned Her respect.
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What was it that drew you to the conclusion that the Queen was a very decent lady? I personally have no idea whether she was, or not, so I can neither praise not criticise her.
 
oldius said:
What was it that drew you to the conclusion that the Queen was a very decent lady? I personally have no idea whether she was, or not, so I can neither praise not criticise her.
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Her reputation worldwide, and Her reputation far closer to home probably even more so.

I would say her reputation from Sinn Féin says a lot about her, this week some very senior figures from that group gave her genuine respect, which to me says a lot, it also said so much when she went to Ireland during the peace agreement and had to meet and greet people that were directly involved in murdering a member of her family.

Her last day earth she spent doing her duty, again says a lot about her as a person.

I am not a Royalist and the rest of her family I would happily be rid of and quickly, but she was one I could respect.
 
Keeper! said:
Her reputation worldwide, and Her reputation far closer to home probably even more so.

I would say her reputation from Sinn Féin says a lot about her, this week some very senior figures from that group gave her genuine respect, which to me says a lot, it also said so much when she went to Ireland during the peace agreement and had to meet and greet people that were directly involved in murdering a member of her family.

Her last day earth she spent doing her duty, again says a lot about her as a person.

I am not a Royalist and the rest of her family I would happily be rid of and quickly, but she was one I could respect.
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I can understand that perspective and, undoubtedly, her visit played an important, symbolic role. I understand that others were significantly more important in terms of driving the process, however: John Hulme, Gerry Adams, John Major, Mo Mowlem et al.

The debate about Ireland will linger on, and I am of Irish heritage personally, so whether you consider it the first English colony, or an important part of the union will, undoubtedly, colour your opinion.
 
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