Ref Watch

[feelymcfeel]

I wached it with a mate. She actively dislikes football, but even she was asking why the ref was giving everything to them lot, asked how Grealish could possibly get his hand out of the way, and asked why de bruyne getting tripped in the box wasnt a penalty.

 

[Bluearmy]

I’ll give you one guess as to why this was not given as a penalty but the Grealish “handball” was given.

I think we all know why, apart from a deluded few!!

 

[1961_vintage]

Why would anyone in their right mind want to come on here after such a monumental day yesterday and wum?

Depends who you support.

 

[1961_vintage]

I'm going for cheating shev.

If these decisions had any sort of balance to them in terms of clubs negatively impacted then perhaps incompetence may be the cause.

The fact that they are continually made to the benefit of these rag twats tells you all you need to know - commercial bias based cheating.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

I'm not, I just think that the rules allow it to be given. It's a horrible decision, but it's not outside the interpretation of the rules.

According to the rules handball has to be deliberate. It is the interpretation of the rules which causes all the trouble because their penalty was not in line with any of the advice on how the rules are to be interpreted. The rules are not to be interpreted in such a way that means VAR is to be used to seek out anything which might mean a penalty MAY be awarded. Contact between ball and hand does not automatically mean a penalty must be given. Factors such as "proximity" and the position of the hand must be considered. The underlying aim is to ensure that VAR does not become a way of looking for anything for which a penalty MAY JUST AT A STRETCH be awarded but that it is a way of helping the officials identify genuine foul play. If we apply this to yesterday's "penalty" we must ask if Jack really cheated and the answer is no. Was he seeking to gain an unfair advantage? The answer is, of course, no. Was there, therefore, any reason at all to award a penalty, which may have a material effect on the result of the game? Answers on a postcard. We may see this clearer when we ask why VAR spent so little time considering the penalty claim when KdB appeared to be fouled. But then this leads us away from incompetence and into issues such as partiality and possible corruption. Why do all errors seem to favour the same team?

 

[Bluearmy]

When you jump your arms move up. When you come back down, the arms move back down. There is no need for his left arm to independently move back upwards again
Why does jumping make one arm randomly flail upwards when you are on the way back down?

You don’t understand jumping. As you have proven here.

When your on the way up, your arms drive down to aid lift.

When youve reached the top of your jump and on your way down your arms move upwards to aid hang time and then land without falling over. I actually cant believe im having to explain this to an adult

This is elementary stuff…

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Like the header at Everton which Eddie didn’t touch but Alty gave as a corner I didn’t think Ortega touched the header either but somehow Tierney who couldn’t see a stonewall red and a penalty somehow gave a corner. Come to think of it, he didn’t even see any handball either.

well considering it came off Rodri's head I'd expect a corner or are you saying the rules shouldn't apply

 

[hcblue]

Ah but we can't have a Rag on a three match ban at the start of the season. It spoils the start of the season, just as sending him off in the final would spoil the final.

Would actually have been a 5 match ban. 3 for the straight red and another 2 since it would have been his 3rd of the season. That would have had a serious impact on next season. Bent doesn’t begin to cover it.

 

[champo]

As much as I am still buzzing about yesterday’s result I am still fuming with some of the decisions. How is the trip by Fred on Kev not a penalty? It’s nailed on everyday. I am wondering if the refs view is blinded by the player in front but surely VAR has to step in?

As for the Casemiro stamp ending in a free kick to them….

 

[SuperKevinHorlock]

Footballing myths.

Scholes just cannot tackle(means he's given free rein to foul)

Refereeing decisions even out over the season.

Casimero is a great player not a thug.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Red card...


Pen...


Why was this not looked at?
Hit trailing arm...

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

well considering it came off Rodri's head I'd expect a corner or are you saying the rules shouldn't apply

reckon it came off Rodri’s head onto mctomishits hence a goal kick

 

[Heath Park]

It passes understanding how a blue could believe Tierney officiated the final fairly when even the commentators—and later pundits—were questioning nearly every decision he made.

I was watching with my family and another family who don't really follow football much.

They were all screaming at the TV/ref and could not believe how bent the officiating was.

Three shockers:
1. Casemiro leg breaker
2. Jack "handball"
3. KdB assault in the box

Special mention to Fred, kicking KdB's knee in a clear foul and nailed on yellow not given.

 

[Heath Park]

I wached it with a mate. She actively dislikes football, but even she was asking why the ref was giving everything to them lot, asked how Grealish could possibly get his hand out of the way, and asked why de bruyne getting tripped in the box wasnt a penalty.

Ditto non football friends I was watching with. Just proves it is not in our heads.

See my above post!

 

[Manncity]

You don’t understand jumping. As you have proven here.

When your on the way up, your arms drive down to aid lift.

When youve reached the top of your jump and on your way down your arms move upwards to aid hang time and then land without falling over. I actually cant believe im having to explain this to an adult

This is elementary stuff…

Look at wan bissakas hands as he’s heading the ball, there higher than jacks.

 

[threadkiller]

According to the rules handball has to be deliberate. It is the interpretation of the rules which causes all the trouble because their penalty was not in line with any of the advice on how the rules are to be interpreted. The rules are not to be interpreted in such a way that means VAR is to be used to seek out anything which might mean a penalty MAY be awarded. Contact between ball and hand does not automatically mean a penalty must be given. Factors such as "proximity" and the position of the hand must be considered. The underlying aim is to ensure that VAR does not become a way of looking for anything for which a penalty MAY JUST AT A STRETCH be awarded but that it is a way of helping the officials identify genuine foul play. If we apply this to yesterday's "penalty" we must ask if Jack really cheated and the answer is no. Was he seeking to gain an unfair advantage? The answer is, of course, no. Was there, therefore, any reason at all to award a penalty, which may have a material effect on the result of the game? Answers on a postcard. We may see this clearer when we ask why VAR spent so little time considering the penalty claim when KdB appeared to be fouled. But then this leads us away from incompetence and into issues such as partiality and possible corruption. Why do all errors seem to favour the same team?

The hand ball has to be deliberate OR he has to have made his body naturally bigger (or whatever the actual wording is). In my opinion, by moving his arm up when he did, he gave them the excuse they needed. I get that you disagree. I agree with you that it's a shit decision. I agree with you that the pigmol is gunning for us.

 

[threadkiller]

You don’t understand jumping. As you have proven here.

When your on the way up, your arms drive down to aid lift.

When youve reached the top of your jump and on your way down your arms move upwards to aid hang time and then land without falling over. I actually cant believe im having to explain this to an adult

This is elementary stuff…

Stand up and jump as high as you can and tell me that you move your arms up on the way down.

 

[Bluearmy]

The hand ball has to be deliberate OR he has to have made his body naturally bigger (or whatever the actual wording is). In my opinion, by moving his arm up when he did, he gave them the excuse they needed. I get that you disagree. I agree with you that it's a shit decision. I agree with you that the pigmol is gunning for us.

You are ignoring the law as its written. The same as the referees. As you have already been told. But to correct you yet again, please see below

Its clear to all Jacks arm position was clearly a consequence of him jumping to try and head the ball. So because of this action he cannot be judged to have made himself unnaturally bigger. So no infringement and completely justifiable.

It is an offence if a player:

*touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised

 

[Bluearmy]

Stand up and jump as high as you can and tell me that you move your arms up on the way down.

Yes my arms move up on the way down!! As do every sportsman's!!

Look at Wank Bassaka. He does exactly the same thing as Grealish in that very incident.

You are making a fool of yourself

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Stand up and jump as high as you can and tell me that you move your arms up on the way down.

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