Referees/Officials

[Blue Mooner]

Since 2010/11, we've had 52 penalties awarded for us and 17 against, which is the most for and the least against. 16 more than the rags for and 5 fewer against.

Firstly given our dominance in most games since 2010/11 including 4 golden gloves for Joe Hart it's hardly surprising that the penalty stats are in our favour.

The key point about penalty stats is context ie were, they or weren't they penalties, the other perhaps more important aspect that is missed about those stats is the impact on the game of those penalties we were awarded. Also much more meaningful would be number of penalties scored vs time in opposition box and vice versa for penalties conceded. That might paint a very different picture. I did a review of our penalties won when our friend Mr Sinatra trotted out these stats a while back. In many cases many of those penalties we were awarded were against teams 9/10 we were expected to beat, after we were already two or three up and very rarely 'match winning' penalties in the last 5 minutes to win a game.

The context of the 5 penalties in 8 games is not unusual when all 5 were absolutely penalties. Nothing strange in that with the context. What is stranger is that since that magnificent start we have only had 1 in 14 I'm not sure how you can explain that dramatic turn around in fortunes without some deliberate manipulation of decision making.

It seems that many people are starting to wake up to this and we should continue to highlight the shocking nature of these decisions or not will never change.

 

[Alan Oakes Shinpads]

Rugby has it as well right? Or is that for Tries only?

Also used to rule on potential foul play and its not just the referee who can ask for its use. The touch judge will report to the ref who will look at what he may have missed as well as the TMO(4th official) can also ask tell the ref to review an incident.

 

[aguero93:20]

LOL. At least no one would be pretending it was fair if he was running PGMOL.

Not too sure about that, everyone is happy to ignore Riley, Mason, Taylor etc, Walton and Webb got away with it for years.

 

[shemnel]

has Bluemoon got a comprehensive dodgy pen decision list going for this season?

seems like we need one

 

[BlueLarry18]

The rags have had 1 penalty all season. Clattenburg turned down a stone waller for handball when Stoke were winning 1 nil the other day. Why would he do that if he's meant to be helping them? Why have they only had 1 penalty when the refs are supposed to help them? God knows they've needed it a lot. Maybe it's just because the refs are shit? Maybe there is no conspiracy? Every set of fans thinks they get the shitty end of the stick. And we probably all do but it's just down to the lack of quality refs.

 

[kaz7]

The rags have had 1 penalty all season. Clattenburg turned down a stone waller for handball when Stoke were winning 1 nil the other day. Why would he do that if he's meant to be helping them? Why have they only had 1 penalty when the refs are supposed to help them? God knows they've needed it a lot. Maybe it's just because the refs are shit? Maybe there is no conspiracy? Every set of fans thinks they get the shitty end of the stick. And we probably all do but it's just down to the lack of quality refs.

They have also had no reds on 3 times,endless offside goals,they are being looked after make no mistake about that

 

[Rolee]

The rags have had 1 penalty all season. Clattenburg turned down a stone waller for handball when Stoke were winning 1 nil the other day. Why would he do that if he's meant to be helping them? Why have they only had 1 penalty when the refs are supposed to help them? God knows they've needed it a lot. Maybe it's just because the refs are shit? Maybe there is no conspiracy? Every set of fans thinks they get the shitty end of the stick. And we probably all do but it's just down to the lack of quality refs.

What was the stonewaller? When the ball hit Pieters hand?

 

[Yates]

Also used to rule on potential foul play and its not just the referee who can ask for its use. The touch judge will report to the ref who will look at what he may have missed as well as the TMO(4th official) can also ask tell the ref to review an incident.

So Football is literally the only big sport with money behind it not to implement this technology? Basketball, American Rugby, Rugby, Tennis all do. I think even Cricket does as well?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Ah, so we will have to wait and see if Dean refs next week

Not on in the FA Cup weekend anywhere as far as I can tell.
Burnley-Leicester midweek next week.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Firstly given our dominance in most games since 2010/11 including 4 golden gloves for Joe Hart it's hardly surprising that the penalty stats are in our favour.

The key point about penalty stats is context ie were, they or weren't they penalties, the other perhaps more important aspect that is missed about those stats is the impact on the game of those penalties we were awarded. Also much more meaningful would be number of penalties scored vs time in opposition box and vice versa for penalties conceded. That might paint a very different picture. I did a review of our penalties won when our friend Mr Sinatra trotted out these stats a while back. In many cases many of those penalties we were awarded were against teams 9/10 we were expected to beat, after we were already two or three up and very rarely 'match winning' penalties in the last 5 minutes to win a game.

The context of the 5 penalties in 8 games is not unusual when all 5 were absolutely penalties. Nothing strange in that with the context. What is stranger is that since that magnificent start we have only had 1 in 14 I'm not sure how you can explain that dramatic turn around in fortunes without some deliberate manipulation of decision making.

It seems that many people are starting to wake up to this and we should continue to highlight the shocking nature of these decisions or not will never change.

I agree with this.
The amount of correct decisions is irrelevant.
The amount of incorrect decisions is critical, with the amount of arguable ones given of vague interest.