Referees/Officials

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Chris in London said:
Wasn't Marriner responsible for Fergietime? that could explain it.



Mike Dean got demoted earlier this season after a string of howlers. Cant imagine Marriner will be demoted after Saturday, though.
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Did he? Down to the championship? Or just to 4th official? The ref I can remember got booted to the lower leagues again
 
Chris in London said:
Championship - though from memory he got quite a big game (Leeds IIRC vs can't remember who)
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Ah wait, that was a televised game wasn't it? I want a hard permanent demotion, let them prove themselves again. Just so there are stakes in place so they second guess whether to help a team out for personal or professional gain.

Edit: Oh he's been demoted this week! Haha and he made a howler giving a pen for handball outside the box. Barnsley/Leeds on TV. Hopefully that sees him getting non televised championship games from now on.
 
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I said last week that they were all rubbish. Saturday's pathetic performance just confirmed it. Doesnt matter who it is.
 
Mike N said:
I said last week that they were all rubbish. Saturday's pathetic performance just confirmed it. Doesnt matter who it is.
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I think we can categorise it as some make less mistakes than others although I do think if we all sat down and sat emotions to the side, we could accept some mistakes are natural, that many could make.
 
Yates said:
Ah wait, that was a televised game wasn't it? I want a hard permanent demotion, let them prove themselves again. Just so there are stakes in place so they second guess whether to help a team out for personal or professional gain.

Edit: Oh he's been demoted this week! Haha and he made a howler giving a pen for handball outside the box. Barnsley/Leeds on TV. Hopefully that sees him getting non televised championship games from now on.
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He got the local TV match.
There are more PL refs than PL matches, so each week 1-2 of them ref a league down.

Whether it's demotion depends on the media narrative at the time.
 
Yates said:
They've still technically got it wrong if the flag was raised before Aguero reached the Spurs player, would have to re-watch it to find out. Because technically, he's involved in the playz the !moment he makes a move towards the ball in an offside position.
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I guess it's when he gets close enough to make a difference. If he'd run halfway and stopped, he'd not have been interfering.
 
blue corby said:
Another decision I found hard to belive was when he blew for offside in the first half but then allowed the spuds to take the free kick inside our half !!
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Glad you mentioned that, I was absolutely astounded at such a ridiculous mistake for an experienced red, sorry ref to make. We were all astonished by that !!!
 
blue corby said:
Didn't no that . Bloody stupid rule as the offence was committed in the spuds half so that's where the free kick should be taken . Know one round us knew this new rule as we were all calling for the ball to be moved to the correct spot.
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You could hear over the TV, and the two co-commentators didn't know either. I looked it up because it seemed so odd.

Nor did Ogden (ESPN) but he's a read moron, so that's more understandable.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
But the ref was correct. The rules have changed, and the freekick can now be what appears to be the wrong half. It states this explicitly.

I read it as being to do with the chang ein becoming active. Aguero was offside when the ball was kicked (he was in the Spurs half) but ran back to challenge, thus becoming active. The freekick is taken at the point of becoming active, not where the player was when the ball was struck.
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Not for offside though, which is what we are talking about!
 
blueyorkie said:
Not for offside though, which is what we are talking about!
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From the FA website.
Offsides

FAQ's
Q3: The Law now says that the IDFK for offside can be taken in the player’s own half but how can this be correct?
It is correct because:
  • a player CAN NOT be in an offside POSITION in their own half
  • a player CAN commit an offside OFFENCE in their own half if they go back into their own half from an offside position
With the exception of offences in the goal area, throughout the Laws every free kick is awarded from the place where the offence occurs so it is logical that this should also apply to offside.
 
What if a keeper balloons a kick high in to a stiff breeze and one of his players in an offside position sprints back in to his half and heads the ball in to his own net Jamie Pollack stylie?
 
Yates said:
I think we can categorise it as some make less mistakes than others although I do think if we all sat down and sat emotions to the side, we could accept some mistakes are natural, that many could make.
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Most of us would agree I think that some mistakes are inevitable wherever human beings are required to make decisions. The question is, at what point do patterns become visible that suggests that the wrong decisions are being made as the product of something more than individual error. We all remember the ridiculous statistic of the rags not getting a penalty awarded against them at the swamp for god knows how long. Plainly something was going wrong there, whether it was just the influence of the GPC or something yet more sinister.

For my part, I regard it as inherently unlikely that we would be awarded 5 penalties in 8 games at the beginning of the season and then only 1 in 14 thereafter. When you then actually look at some of the incidents themselves in which we have not got the decisions e.g. the GIFs upthread, you start to question whether that can possibly be the result of one-off errors. And if not, what is the cause?

Something stinks. It stinks more than it has done so at any point since late 2011/early 2012. I'm not sure what is causing the stink, but of the existence of the stink I have no doubt.
 
Chris in London said:
Most of us would agree I think that some mistakes are inevitable wherever human beings are required to make decisions. The question is, at what point do patterns become visible that suggests that the wrong decisions are being made as the product of something more than individual error. We all remember the ridiculous statistic of the rags not getting a penalty awarded against them at the swamp for god knows how long. Plainly something was going wrong there, whether it was just the influence of the GPC or something yet more sinister.

For my part, I regard it as inherently unlikely that we would be awarded 5 penalties in 8 games at the beginning of the season and then only 1 in 14 thereafter. When you then actually look at some of the incidents themselves in which we have not got the decisions e.g. the GIFs upthread, you start to question whether that can possibly be the result of one-off errors. And if not, what is the cause?

Something stinks. It stinks more than it has done so at any point since late 2011/early 2012. I'm not sure what is causing the stink, but of the existence of the stink I have no doubt.
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Since 2010/11, we've had 52 penalties awarded for us and 17 against, which is the most for and the least against. 16 more than the rags for and 5 fewer against.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I guess it's when he gets close enough to make a difference. If he'd run halfway and stopped, he'd not have been interfering.
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Well ye, which is why I the ref normally goes to where the linesman indicates but didn't in this case, eliminates any confusion
 
Refs rarely get domoted down the refereeing ladder. The last to do so was stuart atwell back in 2012 but he's since been promoted back. Since then others have left or retired but none demoted.

As has been stated, prem refs often ref big championship or l1/l2 games so seeing dean at barnsley v leeds is no great surprise.
 
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