richard dunnie, micah richards, michael ball shame on you.

All grown men earning more in a week than we earn a year. They need to go home tonight and take a good look at themselves. I'm embarrassed for them and refuse to drop my head while sherkers like that play for our team.


Hart not his best.
Richards poor
Dunne poor to okay
Ball poor
Zabby Good
Kompany okay
Gelson poor
Sturridge Good
Vass poor
Cass okay
SWP missed

The ones with poor marks should be fined.
 
I see fans are still bending over backwards in support of our manager. I can't even be arsed arguing with this any more, it's really not worth it. The proof is in the pudding.
 
jay_mcfc said:
I see fans are still bending over backwards in support of our manager. I can't even be arsed arguing with this any more, it's really not worth it. The proof is in the pudding.
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Yeah and some still bend over backwards in support of Dunne. Second in the "cost City Points" alltime list behind Dibble.
 
jay_mcfc said:
I see fans are still bending over backwards in support of our manager. I can't even be arsed arguing with this any more, it's really not worth it. The proof is in the pudding.
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Beans and toast is a good meal, buts lets face it you ain't ever gunna find it at a top restaurant ........or McDonalds come to think about it!
 
biffa said:
Neville Kneville said:
I seem to remember the same people wandering off the park to a chorus of "you're not fit to wear the shirts" as Hughes Blackburn out fought them & wandering off the park in front of thousands of disconsolate Blues after Sheff Utd outfought them.

They're a bunch of gutless bottlers. Nothing has changed. Hopefully soon it will.
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The ones that did the double over the rags you mean.
Another question then:
Can you honestly see him managing Kaka et al successfully?
(Next you will be telling me you don't want those gutless tossers either).

Footballers won't play for Hughes - they don't understand Hughes (lack of) tactics and mentality, they've grown up playing football, not running around after it.
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Your mention of the rags games is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. They're expected to lose v rags, no pressure, they challenge every ball as if their lives depend on it. Then they play (for example) Everton at home where there's big expectation for us to win. Ball tries to play 'offside' in his own 6 yard box 0-1. Everton hump it back in from a corner Dunne stands there like a fucking clown while Lescott stands behind him for a free header 0-2. Game over. As soon as they're expected to kick on, they fall apart. EVERY TIME.

Gutless spineless arse twitching bottlers.
 
Neville Kneville said:
biffa said:
The ones that did the double over the rags you mean.
Another question then:
Can you honestly see him managing Kaka et al successfully?
(Next you will be telling me you don't want those gutless tossers either).

Footballers won't play for Hughes - they don't understand Hughes (lack of) tactics and mentality, they've grown up playing football, not running around after it.
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Correct Nevil Kneville


Your mention of the rags games is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. They're expected to lose v rags, no pressure, they challenge every ball as if their lives depend on it. Then they play (for example) Everton at home where there's big expectation for us to win. Ball tries to play 'offside' in his own 6 yard box 0-1. Everton hump it back in from a corner Dunne stands there like a fucking clown while Lescott stands behind him for a free header 0-2. Game over. As soon as they're expected to kick on, they fall apart. EVERY TIME.

Gutless spineless arse twitching bottlers.
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So its all those lazy fuckin players fault? (he bought some of those didnt he)
And they lost on purpose?

I feel sorry for the quiet Welsh manager who doesnt talk to his players and his back room staff are doing a sterling job on his behalf
But all will be well when he gets his players in.

Seriously though I will still give him till end of Feb, no matter how much he is testing patience.
 
de niro said:
add elano and didi hamman, dont think we dont know what you are doing.
you are a digrace to your proffession, have'nt got the balls to put it in for the fans.
you know the only chance you have at city is if the manager leaves before you do.
well i firmly hope you lose this battle and the club stand firm and rid us of you and the other cancers within the dressing room.
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i wouldexcuse only Kompany and Sturridge today(swp injured) the rest were twatts
 
Neville Kneville said:
biffa said:
The ones that did the double over the rags you mean.
Another question then:
Can you honestly see him managing Kaka et al successfully?
(Next you will be telling me you don't want those gutless tossers either).

Footballers won't play for Hughes - they don't understand Hughes (lack of) tactics and mentality, they've grown up playing football, not running around after it.
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Your mention of the rags games is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. They're expected to lose v rags, no pressure, they challenge every ball as if their lives depend on it. Then they play (for example) Everton at home where there's big expectation for us to win. Ball tries to play 'offside' in his own 6 yard box 0-1. Everton hump it back in from a corner Dunne stands there like a fucking clown while Lescott stands behind him for a free header 0-2. Game over. As soon as they're expected to kick on, they fall apart. EVERY TIME.

Gutless spineless arse twitching bottlers.
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So where does the inspiration come from to change that mentality?
 
Hughes can't motivate the side (although according to some this should be 100% down to the players) and his tactics clearly don't help, can anybody tell me what the fuck he is there for?
 
Hughes can't motivate the side (although according to some this should be 100% down to the players) and his tactics clearly don't help, can anybody tell me what the fuck he is there for?
 
Hughes can't motivate the side (although according to some this should be 100% down to the players) and his tactics clearly don't help, can anybody tell me what the fuck he is there for?
 
de niro said:
this is my point, they were fine last year, proof then they are doing this on purpose.
sven was soft, hughes tough. thats whats upset them.
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Oh that must be it!

ffs
 
Gunter said:
I would give Dunnie a chance in the 'new' team. The rest can do one. Get Toure in - make him skipper and get Dunnie next to him - if he doesn't improve ship him out to Blackburn / Bolton in the summer. As for Micah - christ knows. I suspect he isn't one to respond to a spell in the stiffs, if not he can go to. Gutted yet again.
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Agree
 
sweep said:
Aye, you'll never get less than 100% from the likes of Bellamy. Is Barton out of jail at the moment, maybe we could tempt him back?
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When he fancies playing and not hiding on the treatment table
 
GStar said:
Richard Dunne stopped todays result becoming a cricket score, he's not had his best season but today he dug so many others out of the shit so many times.

Micah needs a rest asap.
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He was ok but he just gave them the ball back as always No lack of effort thou
 
kramer said:
sweep said:
Aye, you'll never get less than 100% from the likes of Bellamy. Is Barton out of jail at the moment, maybe we could tempt him back?
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When he fancies playing and not hiding on the treatment table
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I think there's a bit of sacasm in that post.
Kaka coming to city they reckon - he will be the next one getting shit off some of the fans - Hughes can't manage footballers its as simple as that.
 
I will put this on ehre cos I didn't see that this thread was so long when I started another. This stance of the management holding no responsiblity and everything being the fault of the players is one that every sacked manager in history could claim. It's laughable. The manager is responsible for the players





Numerous threads on here yet again blaming the players. Yet the hypocrasy stinks. Time and again the same characters are acusing some of the 'hughes out' lot of banging the same drum regardless of what occurs. This is of course true in some cases and some were against him before he got here. That is indefensible.

However, time and again, after each woeful and unacceptable performance the same 'Hughes through thick and thin' brigade seek to completely absolve the management from any responsibility and put all the blame on the players.

Consider this though. We have all seen the majority of these players perform at a very high level either whilst or City or before they joined. Yet now it is not one or two players that are consistently putting in below par performances, it is the vast majority of the squad.

These under performing players. Just hold on for a minute and consider who they are.

Elano - Brazil international
Robinho (according to some) - one of the best players in the world
Richards - the youngest ever defender to play for England and, until this season, recognised by all as probably the best defender of his age in Europe.
Dunne - Captain of the Republic of Ireland and a top Premier League defender for the past 5 season.
SWP - brilliant winger whose productivity has decreased over the past few weeks.
Joe Hart - Easily the best young keeper in the country, possibly Europe.


Add in the likes of Ireland, Sturridge and Kompany who have lept a consistent performance and that's some basis for a squad.

How can it be that all these players have all of a suddenly either hit an unimaginable patch of form or have suddenly turned into these disgusting characters who the Hughes brigade would have you believe couldn't give a shit about this club, the fans or anyone else?

It doesn't add up. Things don't work like that.

Throughout history the football manager has been held accountable for results. When a sustained level of drastic underperformance has been achieved then a manager inevitably gets held responsible and held to account.

When results have been as bad as they have been and the majority of the squad, not one or two or a small section, have been so below par then a manager is held responsible for it. In any sector at a high level, in any job, but especially football management, the buck passing excuse of "its nothing to do with me, its the people below me just does not wash over anything other than a short honeymoon period. Especially when the people below you are performing at a level so far below their collective ability.

Managers are there to maximise performance from their resources. If they get much more from than the sum of the parts then they are exceptional managers. If they get slightly more then they are doing a decent job. If they consistently get far less than the sum of the parts then their position becomes untenable and the buck passing cry of 'it's everyone elses fault' becomes laughable.

These players have obviously not taken the collective decision to flush their careers and reputations down the toilet yet this is what they are virtually doing at present.

Whilst responsibility lies with the players to some extent for everything that happens on the field, the buck stops with the management. It always has and always will. If you have such highly rated resources and get such terrible results then in any other industry, where you don't have 'supporters' willing to buy into cliches and support you regardless, you are sacked.

Every single manager who ever got the sack could point to the players as not haing performed. From Alan Ball to Barry Fry, they would be correct. The players obviously haven't performed because the results have been bad - that's why they have been sacked.

It doesn't matter though. They are responsible for getting performances out of the players and ensuring that they buy into them.

The buck stops with the manager.

(ps: no manager that has ever been sacked in the history of football has ever had the temerity to say "I've spent £80m and produced awful results, but just let me spend another £100m and everything will be alright" so it's not exactly relevant. I don't care who takes over until the end of the season. The management can't get anything like decent performances from the squad and I would therefore back any old mug to have some sort of 'Joe Kinnear' slight improvement that would avert the disater that this management team is flirting with)
 
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