Robinho.

[Failsworth_Blue]

I'm not overlooking the defensive work but i think too much is made out of wide players helping out defenders and sometimes makes them out to have a better game than they probably have just because they got back and put their body in the way especially during the time we we're playing 4-5-1/4-3-3 where a lot was made about Robinho's lack of tracking back but in for me that should never have been an issue because at times we were playing with two defensive midfielders and sometimes 3 (At times last season) so therefore the defence should have cover from the deep lying midfield players rather than the wide men of the front 3

Playing 4-4-2 with Robbie on the left wouldn't work because he wouldn't get back enough and in a 4-4-2 you need to have players who are willing to get back and help the full backs but in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 which we played for most of last season and at times this season we shouldn't be expecting the wide players of the front 3 to keep tracking back and therefore don't think the criticism Robinho received for not doing that was fair

I've never had a go at Robinho for not tracking back, it's not his game and I accept that, if he plays it has to be on the left in a 4 3 3 and let him concentrate on attacking. However, you are saying Bellamy and Robinho should be judged on their 'attacking' performances. This may sound like I'm being arsey but I'm just stating a fact, Robinho hasn't scored yet this season.

Doesn't sound like you're being arsey at all but i've admitted on here earlier and during last week that Robinho must to better that he has done recently when given the chance but lets be fair he's only started 6 premier leauge matches this season so it's not as bad as it sounds

 

[hgblue]

Robinho games for City: 52.

Great games (4): Portsmouth (H), Stoke (H), Hull (H), Everton (A).
Good games (1): Chelsea (H).
Games he tried but was average (2): Liverpool (A), Arsenal (A).
Games he scored but was average / crap and lazy (7): Newcastle (A), Twente (H), Spurs (H), Arsenal (H), Blackburn (A), WBA (H), Blackburn (H).
Games he was average / crap and lazy (38): The rest.

Craig Bellamy games played for City

Newcastle at home - Played well
Stoke away - Poor
Boro home - Good game
Pompey away - Poor
Liverpool away - Good game
West Ham away - Poor before he went off injured
Arsenal away - Poor
Blackburn away - Decent
Pompey away - Decent
Arsenal home - Outstanding
United away - Outstanding
Fulham home - Poor
West Ham home - Decent
Villa away - Played well
Fulham home - Poor
Birmingham away - Poor
Burnley home - Decent
Liverpool away - Poor
Arsenal home - Played well
Bolton away - Decent
Sunderland home - Outstanding
Wolves away - Played well
Blackburn home - Poor
Everton away - Poor

Huge difference in how the two are percieved on here yet they've both had there fair share of bad games and both had their fair share of good games since they've been at the club

I don't like bringing other players into the debate on Robinho but Bellamy is in direct competition with him and is praised left right and centre on here while Robinho is slagged off nearly every week despite only starting a handful of games this season

Absolutely nail on head.

 

[Anonymous]

He'll start and star on Tuesday. Quote me on that.

 

[m27]

I've never had a go at Robinho for not tracking back, it's not his game and I accept that, if he plays it has to be on the left in a 4 3 3 and let him concentrate on attacking. However, you are saying Bellamy and Robinho should be judged on their 'attacking' performances. This may sound like I'm being arsey but I'm just stating a fact, Robinho hasn't scored yet this season.

Doesn't sound like you're being arsey at all but i've admitted on here earlier and during last week that Robinho must to better that he has done recently when given the chance but lets be fair he's only started 6 premier leauge matches this season so it's not as bad as it sounds

Yeah, I accept that mate. It's a stat that doesn't paint the full picture.

I also admit that I'm a bit blinkered with him. He winds me up and the devotion he gets from certain people on here (not you as you've been balanced with your argument) is, in my view, baffling and unwarranted on the whole. As I've said before, I think he's a flat track bully.

Yet people have their favourite players and he has never been a favourite of mine whilst I would always have Bellamy in my side. It's all about opinions as they say.

 

[Anonymous]

Craig Bellamy games played for City

Newcastle at home - Played well
Stoke away - Poor
Boro home - Good game
Pompey away - Poor
Liverpool away - Good game
West Ham away - Poor before he went off injured
Arsenal away - Poor
Blackburn away - Decent
Pompey away - Decent
Arsenal home - Outstanding
United away - Outstanding
Fulham home - Poor
West Ham home - Decent
Villa away - Played well
Fulham home - Poor
Birmingham away - Poor
Burnley home - Decent
Liverpool away - Poor
Arsenal home - Played well
Bolton away - Decent
Sunderland home - Outstanding
Wolves away - Played well
Blackburn home - Poor
Everton away - Poor

Huge difference in how the two are percieved on here yet they've both had there fair share of bad games and both had their fair share of good games since they've been at the club

I don't like bringing other players into the debate on Robinho but Bellamy is in direct competition with him and is praised left right and centre on here while Robinho is slagged off nearly every week despite only starting a handful of games this season

Absolutely nail on head.

Des Kelly in the Mail made a great point today. When Tevez has a bad game he runs about and chases everything to try and make things happen which makes everyone think he has had a good game. When Berbatov has a bad game his work rate is no different from when he is having a good game which makes he look lazy and disinterested. Replace Tevez for Bellamy and Berbatov for Robinho and you have the same situation.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

Doesn't sound like you're being arsey at all but i've admitted on here earlier and during last week that Robinho must to better that he has done recently when given the chance but lets be fair he's only started 6 premier leauge matches this season so it's not as bad as it sounds

Yeah, I accept that mate. It's a stat that doesn't paint the full picture.

I also admit that I'm a bit blinkered with him. He winds me up and the devotion he gets from certain people on here (not you as you've been balanced with your argument) is, in my view, baffling and unwarranted on the whole. As I've said before, I think he's a flat track bully.

Yet people have their favourite players and he has never been a favourite of mine whilst I would always have Bellamy in my side. It's all about opinions as they say.

No problem with your opinion mate, we're all entitled to them and nothing wrong with a bit of debate like this. Some people are always biased towards thier favourite players and find it hard to say a bad word about them and that just doesn't include Robinho fans, it's the same for Bellamy fans, De Jong fans etc. One things for sure is that based on yesterdays performance everyone must to do better and i'm sure they will

A fit and on form Robinho would be a huge plus for us so i'm hoping he can return to a bit of form but at the moment he's badly out of form

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

Absolutely nail on head.

Des Kelly in the Mail made a great point today. When Tevez has a bad game he runs about and chases everything to try and make things happen which makes everyone think he has had a good game. When Berbatov has a bad game his work rate is no different from when he is having a good game which makes he look lazy and disinterested. Replace Tevez for Bellamy and Berbatov for Robinho and you have the same situation.

When did Tevez or Bellamy go straight down the tunnel after being subbed?

When did Mancini have to tell Tevez or Bellamy TWICE before they could be arsed warming up?

When did Tevez or Bellamy say they thought they'd have a better chance of becoming the best player on the planet by joining another club?

Robinho doesn't want to be here. That's why he can't be arsed to put in a performance.

Some people refuse to see the truth.

 

[m27]

Yeah, I accept that mate. It's a stat that doesn't paint the full picture.

I also admit that I'm a bit blinkered with him. He winds me up and the devotion he gets from certain people on here (not you as you've been balanced with your argument) is, in my view, baffling and unwarranted on the whole. As I've said before, I think he's a flat track bully.

Yet people have their favourite players and he has never been a favourite of mine whilst I would always have Bellamy in my side. It's all about opinions as they say.

No problem with your opinion mate, we're all entitled to them and nothing wrong with a bit of debate like this. Some people are always biased towards thier favourite players and find it hard to say a bad word about them and that just doesn't include Robinho fans, it's the same for Bellamy fans, De Jong fans etc. One things for sure is that based on yesterdays performance everyone must to do better and i'm sure they will

A fit and on form Robinho would be a huge plus for us so i'm hoping he can return to a bit of form but at the moment he's badly out of form

I would like nothing more than him to make me look a complete c*nt and run rings round them on Tuesday.

 

[Matt Diablo]

get rid of Rigsby a million times more than Robby!!

 

[hgblue]

Doesn't sound like you're being arsey at all but i've admitted on here earlier and during last week that Robinho must to better that he has done recently when given the chance but lets be fair he's only started 6 premier leauge matches this season so it's not as bad as it sounds

Yeah, I accept that mate. It's a stat that doesn't paint the full picture.

I also admit that I'm a bit blinkered with him. He winds me up and the devotion he gets from certain people on here (not you as you've been balanced with your argument) is, in my view, baffling and unwarranted on the whole. As I've said before, I think he's a flat track bully.

Yet people have their favourite players and he has never been a favourite of mine whilst I would always have Bellamy in my side. It's all about opinions as they say.

As I'm probably one of the people you're referring to I'll try to explain why I back Robinho to the hilt. I'm a City fan of many years standing and Robinho is, on his day, the best player to pull on a City shirt since the Seventies. I believe he had a decent start to the season up until he got injured. Since he came back from this injury he's been struggling, a bit like Tevez at the start of the season. Unfortunately, and this is where he differs from Tevez, his body language when he's not playing well isn't good. In my opinion, this isn't because he doesn't care, but this is how it appears to the average punter. I'm convinced that if the manager and supporters would back this player instead of getting on his case, then we could still have a hell of a player on our hands. This is why I back him on here, and why I hope he plays on Tuesday night. I hope he has a stormer, and a few of the people who have been slagging him off on this thread, will have the balls to come on here and apologise, as many had to when Tevez made them eat their words.

 

[m27]

Yeah, I accept that mate. It's a stat that doesn't paint the full picture.

I also admit that I'm a bit blinkered with him. He winds me up and the devotion he gets from certain people on here (not you as you've been balanced with your argument) is, in my view, baffling and unwarranted on the whole. As I've said before, I think he's a flat track bully.

Yet people have their favourite players and he has never been a favourite of mine whilst I would always have Bellamy in my side. It's all about opinions as they say.

As I'm probably one of the people you're referring to I'll try to explain why I back Robinho to the hilt. I'm a City fan of many years standing and Robinho is, on his day, the best player to pull on a City shirt since the Seventies. I believe he had a decent start to the season up until he got injured. Since he came back from this injury he's been struggling, a bit like Tevez at the start of the season. Unfortunately, and this is where he differs from Tevez, his body language when he's not playing well isn't good. In my opinion, this isn't because he doesn't care, but this is how it appears to the average punter. I'm convinced that if the manager and supporters would back this player instead of getting on his case, then we could still have a hell of a player on our hands. This is why I back him on here, and why I hope he plays on Tuesday night. I hope he has a stormer, and a few of the people who have been slagging him off on this thread, will have the balls to come on here and apologise, as many had to when Tevez made them eat their words.

I respect your opinion fella but you suggest that the fans have been getting on his back which is simply not true on a match day. There have been grumblings but I wouldn't say the crowd have given him any real stick. In fact, given his behaviour off the pitch last season with him going AWOL, his behaviour at White Hart Lane and the below-par performances he's been turning out I think the level of patience that has been shown to him has been astonishing.

What else can we do?

 

[Skip Donoghue]

the guy is not up to the speed and physical demands of the prem simple as, genuine world class players can play
/adapt to any league, we have all been had basically all bought into the hype and are now seeing what many said, he is an enigma all flicks and tricks nothing more (we have not seen much of that recently either though)

he was a sub at madrid a lot now we know why, on his day he can be a pleasure to watch but those days are few and far between,
i can understand fans backing him to the hilt as he is a blue but you are wasting your time he will never be what we have been led to believe he is never!

 

[bluem0ng]

As I'm probably one of the people you're referring to I'll try to explain why I back Robinho to the hilt. I'm a City fan of many years standing and Robinho is, on his day, the best player to pull on a City shirt since the Seventies. I believe he had a decent start to the season up until he got injured. Since he came back from this injury he's been struggling, a bit like Tevez at the start of the season. Unfortunately, and this is where he differs from Tevez, his body language when he's not playing well isn't good. In my opinion, this isn't because he doesn't care, but this is how it appears to the average punter. I'm convinced that if the manager and supporters would back this player instead of getting on his case, then we could still have a hell of a player on our hands. This is why I back him on here, and why I hope he plays on Tuesday night. I hope he has a stormer, and a few of the people who have been slagging him off on this thread, will have the balls to come on here and apologise, as many had to when Tevez made them eat their words.

I respect your opinion fella but you suggest that the fans have been getting on his back which is simply not true on a match day. There have been grumblings but I wouldn't say the crowd have given him any real stick. In fact, given his behaviour off the pitch last season with him going AWOL, his behaviour at White Hart Lane and the below-par performances he's been turning out I think the level of patience that has been shown to him has been astonishing.

What else can we do?

A fair and balanced post. I think people defend him a lot on here because they get sick of seeing our players called "wankers, bottlers etc." by our own fans. Fair enough if you don't rate him slag off his ability but the abuse is just sad imo.

 

[rastus]

I respect your opinion fella but you suggest that the fans have been getting on his back which is simply not true on a match day. There have been grumblings but I wouldn't say the crowd have given him any real stick. In fact, given his behaviour off the pitch last season with him going AWOL, his behaviour at White Hart Lane and the below-par performances he's been turning out I think the level of patience that has been shown to him has been astonishing.

What else can we do?

A fair and balanced post. I think people defend him a lot on here because they get sick of seeing our players called "wankers, bottlers etc." by our own fans. Fair enough if you don't rate him slag off his ability but the abuse is just sad imo.

Something Ade & Toure have to look forward to on their return, cant wait till Lescott & Bridge gets fit. 2 more bad games from Tevez and hes in for it and dont mention Barry.
But weve always been like that, but seem a little spoilt now

 

[savo]

get off your high horse mate. Robinho is a joke at the moment

What a twat for giving that penalty away, i also blame him for breaking the wall to allow Pienar to score from that free kick.

HANG ROBINHO

Fair point, we can blame Robinho for having a stinking attitude and for not committing fully to tackles but we cannot blame him for the two goals which were just shocking bad.
Micah must be off his head or just plain stupid if he thinks that he can blantantly pull the shirt off a forward and get away with it. At least he can try to hide it from the officials. Mancini was wrong to suggest after the ganme that it wasn't a penalty. I also noticed the Robinho was the first player over to the linesman to give him shit about the penalty award, pitty that Robbi isn't as quick to the action when it really matters.
Given was let down again by his defence, the wall was set fine, I think it was De-jong who lost position and moved 1 foot away from the wall, he didn't seem to jump too well either. No excuses can be made for set piece shite like this.

Pressure game on Tuesday now, the RAGS will have noted how poor we were. They were shite themselves this weekend but they still took the 3 points. Likely tro be Benjani, tevez and bellers up front. Will barry and De jong be dropped for Viera and Ireland?

Perhaps we could do with a cou;le of changes.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Robinho was better than Tevez and Bellamy put together yesterday but let the agendas continue

 

[Grand Master Ram Rod]

Robinho games for City: 52.

Great games (4): Portsmouth (H), Stoke (H), Hull (H), Everton (A).
Good games (1): Chelsea (H).
Games he tried but was average (2): Liverpool (A), Arsenal (A).
Games he scored but was average / crap and lazy (7): Newcastle (A), Twente (H), Spurs (H), Arsenal (H), Blackburn (A), WBA (H), Blackburn (H).
Games he was average / crap and lazy (38): The rest.

Craig Bellamy games played for City

Newcastle at home - Played well
Stoke away - Poor
Boro home - Good game
Pompey away - Poor
Liverpool away - Good game
West Ham away - Poor before he went off injured
Arsenal away - Poor
Blackburn away - Decent
Pompey away - Decent
Arsenal home - Outstanding
United away - Outstanding
Fulham home - Poor
West Ham home - Decent
Villa away - Played well
Fulham home - Poor
Birmingham away - Poor
Burnley home - Decent
Liverpool away - Poor
Arsenal home - Played well
Bolton away - Decent
Sunderland home - Outstanding
Wolves away - Played well
Blackburn home - Poor
Everton away - Poor

Huge difference in how the two are percieved on here yet they've both had there fair share of bad games and both had their fair share of good games since they've been at the club

I don't like bringing other players into the debate on Robinho but Bellamy is in direct competition with him and is praised left right and centre on here while Robinho is slagged off nearly every week despite only starting a handful of games this season

So Bellamy's had double the amount of good games than Robinho has and has played a lot less. You're kind of backing my argument up even more mate.

Plus when Bellamy isn't on top form, he works his balls off like any of us would and always gives 100%, Robinho hides and makes it feel like we have 10 men. Bellamy still looks a threat too when he's not playing well, whereas you know Robinho is just gonna slow down attacks and then lose it.

 

[Matt Diablo]

exactly Jay, its a pisstake how our "fans" turn against him, almost deserve not to be entertained tbh...

 

[Grand Master Ram Rod]

He'll start and star on Tuesday. Quote me on that.

Not being funny, but you've said this nearly every game since he returned. You'd think you'd get one right at least. I feel sorry for the fans who love him cos he's actually making some of yas look like idiots (which I don't think some of yas are) with the faith you keep putting in him and him just not delivering time and time again.

 

[be_unique]

100% This. Why isnt there a 50 page thread on how petrov doesnt give two shits?

Probably because Petrov didn't arrive and instantly announce that he wanted to show he was the best player in the World. If you talk the talk you have to walk the walk. You can't have it both ways.

ok this post is for the ones amongst us that have a brain...why do you think robinho believes he has the potential to be the best player in the world?!

All his life he's had people telling him how great he is..and at santos he was..then real madrid chased and finally got him, and even though he wasn't really sucessful there..chelsea wanted him, but it was man city that ended up paying the British transfer record..and now barcelona (the best team currently on the planet) want him, even though he's not been particularly sucessful here!! Now which of this is his fault?!

Do you blame him for having an ego..would bellamy, petrov, adebayor be any different if that was their life??