mosssideblue
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In the long term, Russians will turn against the cremlin
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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wolviedinho
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Maybe but what have the ukrainians got to lose? A war they did not want, dying at the hands of a dictator only to end up becoming a part of the new Russia. Nothing should be off the table. Desperate times call for desperate measures.You know when something sounds crazy, it’s usually because it is.
It only a thought my you and will most likely will not happen.
tolmie's hairdoo
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You are correct, Russia have zero chance of controlling Ukraine. You would have thought that Putin would have done his homework on how much support he'd be likely to get from the population he was trying to control.
There was an analyst on the radio the other day that said the west had 350,000 troops backed up by high-tech weaponry and air superiority in Iraq, but still they couldn't control things.
America had 650,000 soldiers in Vietnam at one stage (although only about 40 per cent fighting) and dropped 7.5 million tons of bombs - double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II.
And still couldn't win.
Didsbury Dave
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I really don't believe much of this kind of stuff. We are victims of western propaganda just like the russians are of their own. This won't end that way.LBC saying that loads of ruskies are abandoning their vehicles in that convoy and fucking off
He’d have done it anyway. The only way this wasn’t kicking off if is he’d have got his legal guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO.I don't see it like that.
The west's HUGE fuck up was weeks and months ago with wishy-washy talk about sanctions and not spelling out really, really, really clearly to Putin what the consequences for invasion would be and just how bad it would be for him personally. Then when he made his initial proclamation of the annexation of parts of Ukraine, we imposed really limp sanctions. This gave him a big green light to carry on.
Since then, we have to a much greater extent "thrown the book at him". Although we can still do more. But I am sure the west's response is FAR more coordinated and severe than he was bargaining on. The problem is, having gone into Ukraine - which we really should have prevented in the first place - he now has nowhere to go. He cannot back down. That's why we've really fucked up. I seriously wonder if he regrets where he is right now - I suspect he does.
And I don't see him attempting the same with e.g. Finland or Sweden. The situation is entirely different. He tried to justify the action against Ukraine on the basis that it's natural, cultural home is Russia. And even so, he's seen such and enormous domestic backlash. He cannot possibly make the same claims over Finland or Sweden etc. He'd be completely mad to even try it, and contrary to the lazy narrative, he is not mad.
Didsbury Dave
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That's because it was fought in a jungle.America had 650,000 soldiers in Vietnam at one stage (although only about 40 per cent fighting) and dropped 7.5 million tons of bombs - double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II.
And still couldn't win.
marco
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Bojo's speach sounding good, a speach to bring down Putins regime rather than a verbal attack on Russia and the people
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Stupid question , is the War happening because of the Americans ?
Someone explain
Someone explain
wolviedinho
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According to RT news? ;)Stupid question , is the War happening because of the Americans ?
Someone explain
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Unifying whom? Russia and China?My one worry with these sanctions is if this goes on too long they could have the opposite effect. I think they are hoping either the Russian people or one of Putin's benefactors has enough of their lives being ruined and takes action against him. But it could also have the effect of unifying them and making it a us vs them scenario and I'm not sure where things would go if it got to that.