Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Ukraine Invasion Day 1,335: Krasnov's actual ongoing US support for Ukraine

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of October 16 and 17. The Ukrainian Air Force reported that Russian forces launched 70 Shahed-type, Gerbera-type, and other drones, including roughly 50 Shahed-type drones,...
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Ukraine Invasion Day 1,336: UKR continues long-range strike campaign against RU fuel infrastructure

Russian forces conducted missile and drone strikes against Ukraine overnight on October 17 to 18. The Ukrainian Air Force reported that Russian forces launched three S-300 air defense missiles from Kursk Oblast and 164 Shahed-type, Gerbera-type, and...
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mosssideblue said:
Putin has obviously told his lackey to force Ukraine into ending the war on current front line borders.

Hope Zelensky gets the backing of Europe and others to decline such a ridiculous idea
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
What gave you that impression?!
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putin's demands for a ceasefire are that Ukraine withdraws from certain oblasts such as Donetsk
Ukraine won't as the territory it holds in these oblasts are heavily fortified and if it gave them up it would hand a huge tactical advantage to the ruSSians for when they inevitably kick it off again
 
And of course push-over idiot Witkoff demanded Ukraine surrenders Donbass to Russia in the meeting on Friday.
 
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dickie davies said:
putin's demands for a ceasefire are that Ukraine withdraws from certain oblasts such as Donetsk
Ukraine won't as the territory it holds in these oblasts are heavily fortified and if it gave them up it would hand a huge tactical advantage to the ruSSians for when they inevitably kick it off again
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The real kick in the bollocks is that Trump will threaten Zelensky to accept giving up land
 
dickie davies said:
putin's demands for a ceasefire are that Ukraine withdraws from certain oblasts such as Donetsk
Ukraine won't as the territory it holds in these oblasts are heavily fortified and if it gave them up it would hand a huge tactical advantage to the ruSSians for when they inevitably kick it off again
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Is what will inevitably happen - Putin will simply erearm, retain and go again.
Only Ukraine membership of NATO would possibly prevent this, and that's a big IF.
 
dickie davies said:
putin's demands for a ceasefire are that Ukraine withdraws from certain oblasts such as Donetsk
Ukraine won't as the territory it holds in these oblasts are heavily fortified and if it gave them up it would hand a huge tactical advantage to the ruSSians for when they inevitably kick it off again
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I get a sense Putin has conceded to Trump to draw the lines as they now stand, certainly based in what Trump said the other day. Putin will have presented it to Trump as a huge concession, of course.

Sadly, Ukraine is just going to have to keep grinding on.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I get a sense Putin has conceded to Trump to draw the lines as they now stand, certainly based in what Trump said the other day. Putin will have presented it to Trump as a huge concession, of course.

Sadly, Ukraine is just going to have to keep grinding on.
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Absolutely hasn’t as there are no calls from ruSSia for peace talks and drawing the lines now is a defeat for putin as he said he will have all of the Donbas before winter
 
dickie davies said:
Absolutely hasn’t as there are no calls from ruSSia for peace talks and drawing the lines now is a defeat for putin as he said he will have all of the Donbas before winter
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What Russia says publicly and what Putin said to Trump are not going to amount to the same thing, and it’s all speculation of course, but if Russia is in as much trouble as we all hope then it’s far from inconceivable that Putin may reluctantly agree to a pause, especially as winter is coming. It hopefully means that this campaign against the oil refineries is really working.

I just thought it was worthy of note that Trump said what he did about freezing the lines so soon after speaking to Putin and assumed it didn’t occur in a vacuum.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
What Russia says publicly and what Putin said to Trump are not going to amount to the same thing, and it’s all speculation of course, but if Russia is in as much trouble as we all hope then it’s far from inconceivable that Putin may reluctantly agree to a pause, especially as winter is coming. It hopefully means that this campaign against the oil refineries is really working.

I just thought it was worthy of note that Trump said what he did about freezing the lines so soon after speaking to Putin and assumed it didn’t occur in a vacuum.
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putin will say to trump what trump wants to hear
 
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