Saurez [FA release investigation findings]

Re: Suarez (merged)

BillyShears said:
Ric said:
Ah right, that justifies it of course.

My point is about hypocrisy. I don't recall there being too many cries of "kick Shawcross out of England" after his tackle which almost ended Ramsey's career. Yet the sum total of Suarez's transgressions seem to be that bite (which to me is pretty pathetic), a handball in a crucial world cup match, and some diving...

Anyway it's clear I'm in the minority in what I think. Before people start calling for me to be kicked out of Bluemoon I think I'll leave it there.

I think you're straying from the point. His previous transgressions (which are considerable) were only brought up in response to you stating that you liked Suarez.

There's no hyprocrisy here, as there isn't really a precedent on the issue in hand, namely that of racist abuse of a fellow player, that I can think of in the recent era.
 
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corky1970 said:
bluecroi said:
8 match ban for Suarez. He deserves to miss every minute of it.
A gobshite of a player. No respect at all.

The fact is, that when you're gone, you'll be remembered for the impact you had on the people around.
Football isn't much different, when you retire and slip into irrelevance, you can be left on one side of it or on the other.

You can be remembered as someone who defined football, and have such an impression on the game that even 20 years later you're still talked about as one of the best:
Best, Pele, Maradona, than the likes of Zidane, Ronaldo (the original one) and now Messi.

Some players will be remembered for the characters they brought to the game:
Ronaldo (the other one) Roy Keane, Alan Shearer, Patrick Vieira. All flamboyant characters to say the least.

These are all players people want to talk to, give media jobs to, and there are just some nice guys in the game who will be remembered as just that, top class..not world class by any means, but grafters, and heroes in their own right.
The likes of Shay Given, seems to be the most liked player in football, not just for being an excellent keeper, but, for the work he does outside football as well. He gives back, like a lot of players do, because football has given him that opportunity to do so, a lot of charity work..he really was a pleasure to have at the club while we did.

Or you can let the game run you and define you. Be on the not so popular list.
Let the riches and the fame and the power get to you, and manipulate you.
Terry, Ashley Cole. Both great players but their own wrecking balls at time.

But this fella here, Suarez is out there on his own.
One day, everything he has now will be gone, memories of how good he once was, will be just that, memories.
If he finished his career tomorrow he would be remembered for all the wrong things.
Cheating, biting a player, a complete disregard for fair play by blatantly cheating to knock Ghana out of a World Cup, and now this is added to it.
The list continues to grow, never mind the game to game diving etc.
If it ended tomorrow he would be remembered with bitter hate.

For completely letting his teammates, club, fans down, just the game itself.
And Liverpool are left trying to defend a racist. Not exactly something that would attract many players to the club.


I realize that he has high views of himself and thinks he's all that, when his career ends, he will be remembered for all the wrong things, not for the player he was, or for the ability he thinks he possesses. But in pure hate.

He'd want to grow up and grow up fast, it's ok at home isn't acceptable. He's 24 years old, it's just not good enough.

you should post more often !! superb post .
( claps)

+1!!

Indeed, it was awesome, sir!
 
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80s Shorts said:
Cambridgeblue said:
Blue Haze said:
Liverpool are embarrassing themselves badly now, accusing the victim and defending racist behaviour.

I'm so glad the independent panel didn't buy the flimsy defence 'I called him a negro 18 times it was friendly' BS

Just to be clear he didn't, as far as I am aware call him a negro, rather he called him (if the press are to be believed) a little black man. Negro is Spanish for the colour black, so in Spanish 'un hombre negro' simply means a black man. The word negro (pronounced neh-grow) is not in itself racist, whereas the English negro(e) (pronounced knee-grow) is.

So lets be even clearer. He referred to his race and colour. Why ?

I do not disagree that his sentiments were in all likelihood racist (or at least incredibly naive) I was merely pointing out the difference between the adjectival Spanish form and the English noun form of the same word.

Just as the word black is not inherently racist in English (say if I were to describe Usain Bolt as a tall athletic black Jamaican man - the word merely acts as a descrptor, just like the word tall). If however one was to use the word black whilst having an argument with someone who is black (as Suarez apparently did) then the word has no purpose other than to be pejorative. It would not be racist to call someone a horrible little man, since the accusation is independent of their race, whereas to call someone a horrible little black man is inherently racist as it seeks to link the horribleness to their skin colour.
 
Re: Suarez (merged)

short and simple - the guy used skin color word in heated argument with a guy with different skin color and there's no word to describe it better than racism.

Anyone who thinks that's not racism or the ban is harsh is a bit of racist too.
 
Re: Suarez (merged)

Frank the Yank said:
You know in all the stuff I have read (it hasnt been THAT many articles admittedly) no one had the balls to write what Suarez allegedly said!! Did he call him a French ****??? A Gaul bastard?? A cheese eating surrender monkey?? A ******???

I cannot believe he would be found guilty just on the say so of Evra. If a player is going to be suspended for 8 games, they had better be CERTAIN. It seems Evra has already cried wolf!!!

PC run amok....
I saw one report that what he called him was "negrita."
 
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taconinja said:
Frank the Yank said:
You know in all the stuff I have read (it hasnt been THAT many articles admittedly) no one had the balls to write what Suarez allegedly said!! Did he call him a French ****??? A Gaul bastard?? A cheese eating surrender monkey?? A ******???

I cannot believe he would be found guilty just on the say so of Evra. If a player is going to be suspended for 8 games, they had better be CERTAIN. It seems Evra has already cried wolf!!!

PC run amok....
I saw one report that what he called him was "negrita."

Negrito.

Negrita would be the female version of the same word. If he said negrita he would in effect be calling him a girl, on top of the other stuff.
 
Re: Suarez (merged)

For anyone familiar with legal stuff - I'd ask my girlfriend, but she doesn't give a fuck about football - would there be any grounds to sue for libel after the following in the official LFC statement:
It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

I've explained before how HE has made no prior accusations of racial abuse. An untruth, forming part of a character assassination in an official club statement. Just ain't right.


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Suarez (merged)

Their we're allegedly strong rumours ballo was racially abused during his sending off at lpool, that's what set him off in the corridors of the changing rooms.
 
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Viva Rivaldo said:
For anyone familiar with legal stuff - I'd ask my girlfriend, but she doesn't give a fuck about football - would there be any grounds to sue for libel after the following in the official LFC statement:
It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

I've explained before how HE has made no prior accusations of racial abuse. An untruth, forming part of a character assassination in an official club statement. Just ain't right.


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ok he might be a victim but he's still a little twat, so please don't post his ugly face on here.

you dirty rag bastard ;)
 

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