Savic Loan To Wolves

[NipHolmes]

How shite was Coloccini for the Barcodes in his first season. Arguably as bad (if not, worse) than Savic has been at certain points. He was a complete mess. He was criticised regularly by all and sundry. Nobody knew what his strengths were. He wasn't particularly good in the air due to height, not too quick, positionally he was all over the place. Two years on, and he is in the team of the season. You can work out the moral of the story.

Collocini was better than Savic imo. He played for a team that was poor at the back under Kinnear and he now looks good because Pardew has them set up more rigidly. He played for good teams and did well before signing for NUFC iirc.

Savic joined a team that was setup well from top to bottom and was awful, like I say to those that back him, tell me what he's good.

Not being start btw, must make that clear as text can be construed wrong.

Coloccini made his debut for Argentina in 2003 & had been playing in Spain for years. He was playing for a Newcastle team that had no target other than mid table.

I think Savic is shit but I'd happily give him some games to see if he could turn his form round if we were trying to finish 15th.

Wasn't that season the year that Kinnear was ill and Shearer took over whilst they were relegated?

That team was the pits and completely imbalanced.

I can't compare that team to Pardews setup. Totally different. Look at Cahill, Bolton shipped goals for fun when he was there and yet he moved to Chelsea and was key to their great finish.

 

[NipHolmes]

I wasn't saying "you can't post whatever opinion you hold", I merely said in reference to your not wanting to hear "I trust the manager", why your opinion should hold more weight than "trusting the manager".

No one is ever going to agree with everyone. I don't necessarily agree with your opinion on Savic, however I don't believe for one minute that makes it any less/more valid than my opinion.

Just want to understand why you seem (and apologies if I've picked up on something out of context) to have an issue with those whose opinion is to trust in the manager and why your opinion is better than that?

My opinion is no worse or better. He gets paid for his opinion on a massive level and therefor his opinion carries more weight.

I simply feel Savic is inadequate to the prem. Why we passed on Cahill is beyond me. We need good English players where possible and Cahill is one of them. It boots quota and a player that's suited to the league already.

My opinion is that Mancini thought Savic is better than he is. Or he was lead to believe such. He dropped a bollock and the fact Savic featured little and has been loaned out gives foundation for my opinion and others that feel the same.

Why would 'one of Europe's most promising young defenders' (as I read in an article) be loaned out when it leaves us short with the possible departure of Kolo. Pretty easy to read between the lines.

Fergie bought Berbatov and on my life I said he'd flop due to not fitting system and I was called a bitter because he chose them over us. I was right wasn't I? That's me being right over the premierships second best manager (Mourinho is world best imho) who's won trophy after trophy, year after year. I never once pretend to be a guru but if I see a player I know a player. Savic isn't a player, he's a slow and cumbersome player who cannot pass with confidence, he lacks authority and is poor positionally, he cannot pivot quickly and looks unsteady when faced with a quick player. I have little good to day about him and I'd go as far as saying we will be lumbered with him for years if he doesn't pull up trees for Wolves. I hope and pray I'm wrong. I really do but I see another Bridge situation.

Wow I think I've heard some things before - but comparing a player that was nearly 9 years older at the time of signing and had refused to move off his pampered Chelsea bench arse on two occasions to 2 different clubs for regular football & only joined City because he was increasing his wages further to a young international player who had been given the mantle of one of those young players to watch in the future - Savic may end up being a flop - but he is not a near 100k/week lazy waste of space - his wages means he could be transferred fairly easily- granted at a capital loss.

Did you read all of that and simply pick out the Bridge comment aye?

I simply meant I feared that we would be lumbered with a player nobody wants. Not once did I mention wages. I simply meant we will be forced to keep and loan out until we either get a buyer or keep loaning until his contract expires. That's all, your taking what I said out of context to be fair.

Bridge refused a loan to Celtic whereas Savic has gone down a division for game time. Parallels can be drawn but imo we will lose on this kid. I can't see Wolves paying all his wages either so now we are subsidizing his loan possibly, great.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Collocini was better than Savic imo. He played for a team that was poor at the back under Kinnear and he now looks good because Pardew has them set up more rigidly. He played for good teams and did well before signing for NUFC iirc.

Savic joined a team that was setup well from top to bottom and was awful, like I say to those that back him, tell me what he's good.

Not being start btw, must make that clear as text can be construed wrong.

Coloccini made his debut for Argentina in 2003 & had been playing in Spain for years. He was playing for a Newcastle team that had no target other than mid table.

I think Savic is shit but I'd happily give him some games to see if he could turn his form round if we were trying to finish 15th.

Wasn't that season the year that Kinnear was ill and Shearer took over whilst they were relegated?

That team was the pits and completely imbalanced.

I can't compare that team to Pardews setup. Totally different. Look at Cahill, Bolton shipped goals for fun when he was there and yet he moved to Chelsea and was key to their great finish.

I can't remember, but it's a bit different signing a geezer who has played 100s of games in Spain & is an Argy international & giving him a chance in a struggling team, as opposed to bringing in an untried kid with no reputation & sticking him in a team that is trying to win the league.

 

[NipHolmes]

Coloccini made his debut for Argentina in 2003 & had been playing in Spain for years. He was playing for a Newcastle team that had no target other than mid table.

I think Savic is shit but I'd happily give him some games to see if he could turn his form round if we were trying to finish 15th.

Wasn't that season the year that Kinnear was ill and Shearer took over whilst they were relegated?

That team was the pits and completely imbalanced.

I can't compare that team to Pardews setup. Totally different. Look at Cahill, Bolton shipped goals for fun when he was there and yet he moved to Chelsea and was key to their great finish.

I can't remember, but it's a bit different signing a geezer who has played 100s of games in Spain & is an Argy international & giving him a chance in a struggling team, as opposed to bringing in an untried kid with no reputation & sticking him in a team that is trying to win the league.

Iirc Newcastle were sliding and looked likely to do the unthinkable. Change of managers half way through and systems all over the place. I can't remember seeing Collocini and thinking he's a crap player. I will have a look into this cos I find it fascinating how good a job Hughton did there. Still in disbelief how they sacked him, criminal!

 

[Dzeko's Right Boot]

How shite was Coloccini for the Barcodes in his first season. Arguably as bad (if not, worse) than Savic has been at certain points. He was a complete mess. He was criticised regularly by all and sundry. Nobody knew what his strengths were. He wasn't particularly good in the air due to height, not too quick, positionally he was all over the place. Two years on, and he is in the team of the season. You can work out the moral of the story.

Collocini was better than Savic imo. He played for a team that was poor at the back under Kinnear and he now looks good because Pardew has them set up more rigidly. He played for good teams and did well before signing for NUFC iirc.

Savic joined a team that was setup well from top to bottom and was awful, like I say to those that back him, tell me what he's good.

Not being start btw, must make that clear as text can be construed wrong.

Coloccini made his debut for Argentina in 2003 & had been playing in Spain for years. He was playing for a Newcastle team that had no target other than mid table.

I think Savic is shit but I'd happily give him some games to see if he could turn his form round if we were trying to finish 15th.

Coloccini was playing for Deportivo La Coruna who were relegated from the Spanish league, if I remember correctly. The point is Newcastle paid far more for him and expected far more than we did for and from Savic. Coloccini flopped, there are no two ways around it. One year in the Championship and he was alright. His next year in the Premier League and he was the best centre back, bar our own Vinny.

Your point about him being in a team of different quality doesn't make sense anyway. Again I use an example, this time Cahill at Bolton. He looked largely wank in the first half of the season, and many questioned why Chelsea paid £6m for him. In hindsight, that is wonderful business.

EDIT: Just seen NipHolmes' post, quite similar to mine. My point still stands though. A bit of patience works wonders. You'd have thought waiting 35/44 years would prove that, wouldn't you?

 

[Anonymous]

That last paragraph is saddening. Why bother joining a forum if you can't put across your opinon. My opinion is that Arsenal need to pay more to key players and sign a world class CM to play with Song. Someone like Sahin to replace Ramsey. I think Jenkinson is shit, so too Chamack and Bendtner. Hell why do I have am opinion because Wenger has won trophies and brought through great players on a shoestring.

Mancini hasn't got good man-management, ok but not good imo. He can't work alongside a player he doesmt get on with (ade, bellamy) and the Tevez situation was above him I.e he was told to include Tevez who I reckon will be sold.



That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it as long ad my points make sense and based on fact. What the hell do I know though, I havent won a jot. Jeez its like North Korea with that mentality.

I wasn't saying "you can't post whatever opinion you hold", I merely said in reference to your not wanting to hear "I trust the manager", why your opinion should hold more weight than "trusting the manager".

No one is ever going to agree with everyone. I don't necessarily agree with your opinion on Savic, however I don't believe for one minute that makes it any less/more valid than my opinion.

Just want to understand why you seem (and apologies if I've picked up on something out of context) to have an issue with those whose opinion is to trust in the manager and why your opinion is better than that?

My opinion is no worse or better. He gets paid for his opinion on a massive level and therefor his opinion carries more weight.

I simply feel Savic is inadequate to the prem. Why we passed on Cahill is beyond me. We need good English players where possible and Cahill is one of them. It boots quota and a player that's suited to the league already.

My opinion is that Mancini thought Savic is better than he is. Or he was lead to believe such. He dropped a bollock and the fact Savic featured little and has been loaned out gives foundation for my opinion and others that feel the same.

Why would 'one of Europe's most promising young defenders' (as I read in an article) be loaned out when it leaves us short with the possible departure of Kolo. Pretty easy to read between the lines.

Fergie bought Berbatov and on my life I said he'd flop due to not fitting system and I was called a bitter because he chose them over us. I was right wasn't I? That's me being right over the premierships second best manager (Mourinho is world best imho) who's won trophy after trophy, year after year. I never once pretend to be a guru but if I see a player I know a player. Savic isn't a player, he's a slow and cumbersome player who cannot pass with confidence, he lacks authority and is poor positionally, he cannot pivot quickly and looks unsteady when faced with a quick player. I have little good to day about him and I'd go as far as saying we will be lumbered with him for years if he doesn't pull up trees for Wolves. I hope and pray I'm wrong. I really do but I see another Bridge situation.

There we go, much better (oh fuck, that sounds really patronising doesn't it? Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean it to be).

Wherever he plays next, I'll have a look out for those things you've pointed out; we all saw some flaws when he played, but I also reckoned there was a lot of potential there too (possibly wishful thinking?) that could be ironed out with experience and good coaching.

Cheers mate ;-)

 

[decmancity]

I can't remember, but it's a bit different signing a geezer who has played 100s of games in Spain & is an Argy international & giving him a chance in a struggling team, as opposed to bringing in an untried kid with no reputation & sticking him in a team that is trying to win the league.

He wasn't stuck in the team just so Mancini could prove himself right. He played because of suspension and injury.

Stability is a huge part of any defence. It is why Lescott and Kompany play well together.

You cannot expect a player never mind a defender to come in and be great straight away. Coming from a completely different league with hardly if any big game experience. IIRC he hasnt played next to Kompany who makes the CB next to him alot more comfortable and secure straight away.

I really don't know what you want/expect from the kid. Now if we can all stop the nonsense of whos better and who isn't and also the quite frankly laughable NipHolmes who is despite his best efforts really isn't covering up the fact he likes to think he is some kind of football genius and because he predicted Berbatov's failure at the rags his opinion on Savic is gospel.

Until it is proven he is not cut out for the prem by actually getting some proper game time and or Mancini sees fit to sell him lets support our players?

 

[NipHolmes]

I wasn't saying "you can't post whatever opinion you hold", I merely said in reference to your not wanting to hear "I trust the manager", why your opinion should hold more weight than "trusting the manager".

No one is ever going to agree with everyone. I don't necessarily agree with your opinion on Savic, however I don't believe for one minute that makes it any less/more valid than my opinion.

Just want to understand why you seem (and apologies if I've picked up on something out of context) to have an issue with those whose opinion is to trust in the manager and why your opinion is better than that?

My opinion is no worse or better. He gets paid for his opinion on a massive level and therefor his opinion carries more weight.

I simply feel Savic is inadequate to the prem. Why we passed on Cahill is beyond me. We need good English players where possible and Cahill is one of them. It boots quota and a player that's suited to the league already.

My opinion is that Mancini thought Savic is better than he is. Or he was lead to believe such. He dropped a bollock and the fact Savic featured little and has been loaned out gives foundation for my opinion and others that feel the same.

Why would 'one of Europe's most promising young defenders' (as I read in an article) be loaned out when it leaves us short with the possible departure of Kolo. Pretty easy to read between the lines.

Fergie bought Berbatov and on my life I said he'd flop due to not fitting system and I was called a bitter because he chose them over us. I was right wasn't I? That's me being right over the premierships second best manager (Mourinho is world best imho) who's won trophy after trophy, year after year. I never once pretend to be a guru but if I see a player I know a player. Savic isn't a player, he's a slow and cumbersome player who cannot pass with confidence, he lacks authority and is poor positionally, he cannot pivot quickly and looks unsteady when faced with a quick player. I have little good to day about him and I'd go as far as saying we will be lumbered with him for years if he doesn't pull up trees for Wolves. I hope and pray I'm wrong. I really do but I see another Bridge situation.

There we go, much better (oh fuck, that sounds really patronising doesn't it? Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean it to be).

Wherever he plays next, I'll have a look out for those things you've pointed out; we all saw some flaws when he played, but I also reckoned there was a lot of potential there too (possibly wishful thinking?) that could be ironed out with experience and good coaching.

Cheers mate ;-)

No probs ;)

Another analysis is Scott Parker. Never seen such a one dimensional player. If he gets a ball he will always pass where it came from. Never looks left or right, just passes back in direction. Annoying!

Random I know.<br /><br />-- Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:39 pm --<br /><br />

I can't remember, but it's a bit different signing a geezer who has played 100s of games in Spain & is an Argy international & giving him a chance in a struggling team, as opposed to bringing in an untried kid with no reputation & sticking him in a team that is trying to win the league.

He wasn't stuck in the team just so Mancini could prove himself right. He played because of suspension and injury.

Stability is a huge part of any defence. It is why Lescott and Kompany play well together.

You cannot expect a player never mind a defender to come in and be great straight away. Coming from a completely different league with hardly if any big game experience. IIRC he hasnt played next to Kompany who makes the CB next to him alot more comfortable and secure straight away.

I really don't know what you want/expect from the kid. Now if we can all stop the nonsense of whos better and who isn't and also the quite frankly laughable NipHolmes who is despite his best efforts really isn't covering up the fact he likes to think he is some kind of football genius and because he predicted Berbatov's failure at the rags his opinion on Savic is gospel.

Until it is proven he is not cut out for the prem by actually getting some proper game time and or Mancini sees fit to sell him lets support our players?

I'm all for you disagreeing but why the insult?

Can you tell me what you see good in Savic please. I asked that earlier to no avail.

Really don't take kindly to the dig either. Bang out of order there fella.

 

[scenecreamer]

My opinion is no worse or better. He gets paid for his opinion on a massive level and therefor his opinion carries more weight.

I simply feel Savic is inadequate to the prem. Why we passed on Cahill is beyond me. We need good English players where possible and Cahill is one of them. It boots quota and a player that's suited to the league already.

My opinion is that Mancini thought Savic is better than he is. Or he was lead to believe such. He dropped a bollock and the fact Savic featured little and has been loaned out gives foundation for my opinion and others that feel the same.

Why would 'one of Europe's most promising young defenders' (as I read in an article) be loaned out when it leaves us short with the possible departure of Kolo. Pretty easy to read between the lines.

Fergie bought Berbatov and on my life I said he'd flop due to not fitting system and I was called a bitter because he chose them over us. I was right wasn't I? That's me being right over the premierships second best manager (Mourinho is world best imho) who's won trophy after trophy, year after year. I never once pretend to be a guru but if I see a player I know a player. Savic isn't a player, he's a slow and cumbersome player who cannot pass with confidence, he lacks authority and is poor positionally, he cannot pivot quickly and looks unsteady when faced with a quick player. I have little good to day about him and I'd go as far as saying we will be lumbered with him for years if he doesn't pull up trees for Wolves. I hope and pray I'm wrong. I really do but I see another Bridge situation.

There we go, much better (oh fuck, that sounds really patronising doesn't it? Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean it to be).

Wherever he plays next, I'll have a look out for those things you've pointed out; we all saw some flaws when he played, but I also reckoned there was a lot of potential there too (possibly wishful thinking?) that could be ironed out with experience and good coaching.

Cheers mate ;-)

No probs ;)

Another analysis is Scott Parker. Never seen such a one dimensional player. If he gets a ball he will always pass where it came from. Never looks left or right, just passes back in direction. Annoying!

Random I know.

-- Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:39 pm --

I can't remember, but it's a bit different signing a geezer who has played 100s of games in Spain & is an Argy international & giving him a chance in a struggling team, as opposed to bringing in an untried kid with no reputation & sticking him in a team that is trying to win the league.

He wasn't stuck in the team just so Mancini could prove himself right. He played because of suspension and injury.

Stability is a huge part of any defence. It is why Lescott and Kompany play well together.

You cannot expect a player never mind a defender to come in and be great straight away. Coming from a completely different league with hardly if any big game experience. IIRC he hasnt played next to Kompany who makes the CB next to him alot more comfortable and secure straight away.

I really don't know what you want/expect from the kid. Now if we can all stop the nonsense of whos better and who isn't and also the quite frankly laughable NipHolmes who is despite his best efforts really isn't covering up the fact he likes to think he is some kind of football genius and because he predicted Berbatov's failure at the rags his opinion on Savic is gospel.

Until it is proven he is not cut out for the prem by actually getting some proper game time and or Mancini sees fit to sell him lets support our players?

I'm all for you disagreeing but why the insult?

Can you tell me what you see good in Savic please. I asked that earlier to no avail.

Really don't take kindly to the dig either. Bang out of order there fella.

People have already posted what the see in the player, good and bad. There is no point in going over it, as you and others will only continue to deny and argue.

Let the thread die. It's pointless.

Mark my words, you will eat your hat.

 

[NipHolmes]

There we go, much better (oh fuck, that sounds really patronising doesn't it? Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean it to be).

Wherever he plays next, I'll have a look out for those things you've pointed out; we all saw some flaws when he played, but I also reckoned there was a lot of potential there too (possibly wishful thinking?) that could be ironed out with experience and good coaching.

Cheers mate ;-)

No probs ;)

Another analysis is Scott Parker. Never seen such a one dimensional player. If he gets a ball he will always pass where it came from. Never looks left or right, just passes back in direction. Annoying!

Random I know.

-- Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:39 pm --

He wasn't stuck in the team just so Mancini could prove himself right. He played because of suspension and injury.

Stability is a huge part of any defence. It is why Lescott and Kompany play well together.

You cannot expect a player never mind a defender to come in and be great straight away. Coming from a completely different league with hardly if any big game experience. IIRC he hasnt played next to Kompany who makes the CB next to him alot more comfortable and secure straight away.

I really don't know what you want/expect from the kid. Now if we can all stop the nonsense of whos better and who isn't and also the quite frankly laughable NipHolmes who is despite his best efforts really isn't covering up the fact he likes to think he is some kind of football genius and because he predicted Berbatov's failure at the rags his opinion on Savic is gospel.

Until it is proven he is not cut out for the prem by actually getting some proper game time and or Mancini sees fit to sell him lets support our players?

I'm all for you disagreeing but why the insult?

Can you tell me what you see good in Savic please. I asked that earlier to no avail.

Really don't take kindly to the dig either. Bang out of order there fella.

People have already posted what the see in the player, good and bad. There is no point in going over it, as you and others will only continue to deny and argue.

Let the thread die. It's pointless.

Mark my words, you will eat your hat.

I hope so.

Quite frankly I expect pigs to fly before I see Savic being a quality player. But never the less I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Truthfully.