Scotland Independance Referendum

[SWP's back]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

No - what I am basically saying is that the right can't even agree amongst themselves, and contradict each other with every passing post.
I just find it amusing that they can see the SNP as both fascist and communist within half a dozen pages.
It's almost like they blanket bomb Salmond and the SNP with every possible accusation in the faint hope that eventually they will be right about something.
It's funny more than anything else, and a bit like watching a political debate in a residential nursing home where the residents have chronic Alzheimers.

 

[Skashion]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

Thinking the EU is left-wing at all, nevermind communist, is just sheer ignorance and I'd ask anyone thinking it is to answer three simple questions rather than delve into the ideological underpinnings unnecessarily:

• Why has Tony Benn always opposed membership?
• Why was Margaret Thatcher a founding signatory of the EU?
• Why is it overwhelmingly supported by the Confederation of British Industry?

 

[SWP's back]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

No - what I am basically saying is that the right can't even agree amongst themselves, and contradict each other with every passing post.
I just find it amusing that they can see the SNP as both fascist and communist within half a dozen pages.
It's almost like they blanket bomb Salmond and the SNP with every possible accusation in the faint hope that eventually they will be right about something.
It's funny more than anything else, and a bit like watching a political debate in a residential nursing home where the residents have chronic Alzheimers.

Since when has there been stance that everyone you consider right wing (which is pretty much everyone to the right of Marx) should agree on everything.

This (Scottish Independence) isn't a right/left thing at all. Plus fascism and communism are just extremes at the end of the day with the same end game, oppression of the masses and the protection of the few.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

No - what I am basically saying is that the right can't even agree amongst themselves, and contradict each other with every passing post.
I just find it amusing that they can see the SNP as both fascist and communist within half a dozen pages.
It's almost like they blanket bomb Salmond and the SNP with every possible accusation in the faint hope that eventually they will be right about something.
It's funny more than anything else, and a bit like watching a political debate in a residential nursing home where the residents have chronic Alzheimers.

Plus fascism and communism are just extremes at the end of the day with the same end game, oppression of the masses and the protection of the few.

Oh dear, you really have lost your cutting edge.
That old 'communism/fascism = both the same' argument isn't seriously deployed by anyone other than Ducado anymore.
Even if you erroneously assume that they are indeed similar doctrines, the SNP and the EEC are neither, so to brand them as such, as folk on here have done, is abject stupidity.
They are fully entitled to their opinion, but when that opinion is fundamentally wrong someone such as myself will point it out.

 

[TGR]

If the jockistani's vote NO it will make the kiltwearing haggis munching twats look stupid after years and years of bleating on about how they hate the English and being ruled by Westminster :)

Exactly this.
However, the one thing the jocks do know is where their bread is buttered and where the cash comes from for them to enjoy:
Free University tuition
Free prescriptions
Free hospital car parking
Free care home / care of the elderly.

When the vote is a big 'No' then surely it has to be the end of Salmond's political career?
Whats the betting he gets a nice cushy number in Euro land - just like Neil Kinnock and the
rest of his family?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

If the jockistani's vote NO it will make the kiltwearing haggis munching twats look stupid after years and years of bleating on about how they hate the English and being ruled by Westminster :)

Exactly this.
However, the one thing the jocks do know is where their bread is buttered and where the cash comes from for them to enjoy:
Free University tuition
Free prescriptions
Free hospital car parking
Free care home / care of the elderly.

When the vote is a big 'No' then surely it has to be the end of Salmond's political career?
Whats the betting he gets a nice cushy number in Euro land - just like Neil Kinnock and the
rest of his family?

That you agree with a xenophobic ex-pat comes as no great shock.
What the fuck bearing does Neil Kinnock have on Scottish devolution, exactly?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

Thinking the EU is left-wing at all, nevermind communist, is just sheer ignorance and I'd ask anyone thinking it is to answer three simple questions rather than delve into the ideological underpinnings unnecessarily:

• Why has Tony Benn always opposed membership?
• Why was Margaret Thatcher a founding signatory of the EU?
• Why is it overwhelmingly supported by the Confederation of British Industry?

The EU is unquestionably capitalistic to a fault. Its totemic principles of free movement of goods, labour and capital couldn't be described along any other lines. It's why the right in this country are so split on it. Those of a more liberal, metropolitan persuasion tend to support it; those of a more conservative, rural ilk tend to see it as a tool of the devil.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

If the jockistani's vote NO it will make the kiltwearing haggis munching twats look stupid after years and years of bleating on about how they hate the English and being ruled by Westminster :)

Exactly this.
However, the one thing the jocks do know is where their bread is buttered and where the cash comes from for them to enjoy:
Free University tuition
Free prescriptions
Free hospital car parking
Free care home / care of the elderly.

When the vote is a big 'No' then surely it has to be the end of Salmond's political career?
Whats the betting he gets a nice cushy number in Euro land - just like Neil Kinnock and the
rest of his family?

Not if you went to school in the English education system.
Is free hospital car parking true? I remember having to pay every time I visited my grandfather at Glasgow Royal.
This is not true. My gran passed away two years ago and hadn't received any free care.

 

[west didsblue]

When the vote is a big 'No' then surely it has to be the end of Salmond's political career?

Actually, if the vote is a Yes that's when Salmond's problems will really start as he'll be expected to deliver on all those promises that he was never in a position to make.

 

[frothy]

If the jockistani's vote NO it will make the kiltwearing haggis munching twats look stupid after years and years of bleating on about how they hate the English and being ruled by Westminster :)

Exactly this.
However, the one thing the jocks do know is where their bread is buttered and where the cash comes from for them to enjoy:
Free University tuition
Free prescriptions
Free hospital car parking
Free care home / care of the elderly.

When the vote is a big 'No' then surely it has to be the end of Salmond's political career?
Whats the betting he gets a nice cushy number in Euro land - just like Neil Kinnock and the
rest of his family?

Not if you went to school in the English education system.
Is free hospital car parking true? I remember having to pay every time I visited my grandfather at Glasgow Royal.
This is not true. My gran passed away two years ago and hadn't received any free care.[/quob it is free parking my daughter had her baby in Glasgow she was in for a week so it saved us a few quid

 

[Anonymous]

I was quite surprised when I worked in Glasgow that, at the time, it wasn't a big topic of conversation (2 years ago). However, what surprised me more was the few people who did speak of it said it would be madness to split from the Union. Even stranger (to me anyway) were those expressing that view were staunch Celtic fans.

I'd vote for independence if I had any say in it, but then again I don't so it has fuck all to do with me!

 

[Chris in London]

Is there any serious debate now that the independence lobby will lose? I thought it was really a question of how much they will lose by - enough to have another go in a few years or bad enough to nail independence for a generation

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

No - what I am basically saying is that the right can't even agree amongst themselves, and contradict each other with every passing post.
I just find it amusing that they can see the SNP as both fascist and communist within half a dozen pages.
It's almost like they blanket bomb Salmond and the SNP with every possible accusation in the faint hope that eventually they will be right about something.
It's funny more than anything else, and a bit like watching a political debate in a residential nursing home where the residents have chronic Alzheimers.

Fetlocks it was me that raised the topic of fascism, but I was speaking in general terms I didn't accuse the SNP of it all, and I can't see that anybody else did either. Whilst I rejected the idea that they were communist.If anything they look like the Scottish version of the liberal democrats promising all the sweets in the shop so they can pay at politics, where as like the yellow stained sellouts, the "adventure" only just begins as soon as they have to make real political decisions.

Do I really "drive on the right"? Or was this just an opportunity for you to engage in one of your outrage outbursts.

 

[pee dubya]

Is there any serious debate now that the independence lobby will lose? I thought it was really a question of how much they will lose by - enough to have another go in a few years or bad enough to nail independence for a generation

Pretty much every poll suggests the gap is shortening, but there's still a large number of undecideds who'll ultimately swing it either way. Don't know much about historical elections, but apparently undecideds generally tend to err on the side of caution. A no vote is definitely more likely, but i reckon it'll be a lot closer than people think.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

So what you are basically saying Fetters is that people have different opinions?

No - what I am basically saying is that the right can't even agree amongst themselves, and contradict each other with every passing post.
I just find it amusing that they can see the SNP as both fascist and communist within half a dozen pages.
It's almost like they blanket bomb Salmond and the SNP with every possible accusation in the faint hope that eventually they will be right about something.
It's funny more than anything else, and a bit like watching a political debate in a residential nursing home where the residents have chronic Alzheimers.

Fetlocks it was me that raised the topic of fascism, but I was speaking in general terms I didn't accuse the SNP of it all, and I can't see that anybody else did either. Whilst I rejected the idea that they were communist.If anything they look like the Scottish version of the liberal democrats promising all the sweets in the shop so they can pay at politics, where as like the yellow stained sellouts, the "adventure" only just begins as soon as they have to make real political decisions.

Do I really "drive on the right"? Or was this just an opportunity for you to engage in one of your outrage outbursts.

I honestly don't have a clue what the fuck you are on about.
I didn't mention you by name.
I didn't quote you.
I wasn't replying to you.
In what parallel universe was this in any way about you?
Some of the usual nutjobs have called Salmond a 'Little Scotlander', which implies that they consider him to be right of centre.
Another equally bonkers one suggested that the SNP and the EEC were both communists by nature.
I merely pointed out this laughable dichotomy of the right on here.
Incredible as it may seem, not all of my posts are directed at you.
So put your toys back in the pram, and stop being upset-by-proxy.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Or was this just an opportunity for you to engage in one of your outrage outbursts.

I think the answer to your question is yes.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I just watched him on tv. Does he actually have a clue on what it is he is doing?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Or was this just an opportunity for you to engage in one of your outrage outbursts.

I think the answer to your question is yes.

I think you are becoming incredibly boring.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Or was this just an opportunity for you to engage in one of your outrage outbursts.

I think the answer to your question is yes.

I think you are becoming incredibly boring.

To you, possibly. You may find that leaves you in a discernible minority.