Scotland Independance Referendum

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Indeed, Salmon is not to be trusted, Sardines however, are the aquatic worlds most trust worthy.

Salmond is increasingly looking like a fish out of water.
I'm fine with Scottish independence as long as we can ensure supply lines of heroin and shortbread, even if it means venturing to Gretna Green to perform clandestine cross-border activities.

I can't see them voting yes when they see how much Buckfast Abbey will go up with import tax.

My half-and-half Rangers/Celtic scarves haven't proved hugely successful either, for some reason.
And don't even ask about my Tartan Army On Tour In Brazil holidays.
Hopefully my Papal visit of Ibrox will get my money back.

 

[pee dubya]

So apparently now Scottish Independence would be a 'cataclysmic' World event and threaten Worldwide stability and security.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

So apparently now Scottish Independence would be a 'cataclysmic' World event and threaten Worldwide stability and security.

Yeah that bloke needs to start talking out of his mouth

 

[sd92]

Fucking hell that gave me a great laugh. You sound like your stereotypical Scott with a chip on his shoulder reciting fucking Braveheart. Fortunately for you the majority of your people can apply critical thinking and understand that leaving would be a bad thing and so will vote no thus saving you from financial ruin. The only people so far I have heard who want the yes vote have been people who are only looking at it from an emotional POV and don't understand any of the consequences of such action. You should be thankful that there are people much smarter than you who can see past nationality.

Haha really? I should be grateful for people with a lack of vision to see what this country can achieve on it's own?

Of course there is an emotional tie, but by no means is that a deciding factor.

The fact of the matter is guys, whether you believe it or like it, we have the ability to go it alone. We have the set up to go it alone.

You seem to find it hard to comprehend that we have no say in uk elections but it's a fact. Now I understand a democracy, I do.

However, if you were ready to go independent, and were constantly undermined and lied to - I can pull up serious proof to back that up - and most of all were out voted most of the time, would you not think lets do this?

We have the resources to go it alone so why not

Really? And what would you do if Orkney and Shetland secede and take the oil with them?

Well the thing is what we want to do with the oil money is put in aside for a rainy day like Norway? I could be wrong on that.

Now I know it may seem like we have a chip on our shoulders etcs but I must stress I personally do not. I have no issue being British, contrary I'm proud to be so, just as much as I am proud to be Scottish.

We currently run on the taxes already set, discounting the oil money. We can continue to do so and put money into a fund, from the oil sales as is proposed

 

[sd92]

Was up there for 3 weeks and got talking to the folk up there in the pubs and out of the 10 maybe 15 people I asked about it only 1 said they would vote yea and she was a tidy bit of stuff with a PhD who worked at Glasgow university, proberly not an Accurate pole but went in both Celtic and rangers pubs with the general concencuss being that they don't trust salmon and think he is a knob.....and why fix something that ain't broken!!

A lot of people, me included, don't particularly like salmond or the snp in general. They are a means to an end. The thing is, it categorically is not a vote for either. Someone once said that small minds discuss people. Wherein I don't want to insult them per say, I would like to invite these guys to look well beyond salmond.

He's a tool

 

[sd92]

I think most Scots want to stay in the Union.

If not then so be it, I'm an Englishman and proud of it.

If Independence comes it will be great to see all the Scottish MPs at Westminster leave and be banished back beyond "Hadrians Wall".

Perhaps we could repatriate all Scots that have settled south of the border. After all an Independent Scotland would not be part of the European Union.

That would create some jobs and housing!! Just a thought.

"Keep St George in my Heart keep me English, keep St George in my Heart I pray.........." and so the battle cry goes on!!

Don't forget the 5.3 million people off the books of the NHS and the huge decrease in Britain’s welfare bill.

You do realise that we find everything we do up here?

You guys benefit from our money?
We pay more in tax per head than you do?

This is not a chip on a shoulder it is a mere pointing out of facts.

We already pay for our own nhs. Our own welfare. We send money to Westminster and recieve a certain amount back. They spend the rest on rUK.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Haha really? I should be grateful for people with a lack of vision to see what this country can achieve on it's own?

Of course there is an emotional tie, but by no means is that a deciding factor.

The fact of the matter is guys, whether you believe it or like it, we have the ability to go it alone. We have the set up to go it alone.

You seem to find it hard to comprehend that we have no say in uk elections but it's a fact. Now I understand a democracy, I do.

However, if you were ready to go independent, and were constantly undermined and lied to - I can pull up serious proof to back that up - and most of all were out voted most of the time, would you not think lets do this?

We have the resources to go it alone so why not

Really? And what would you do if Orkney and Shetland secede and take the oil with them?

Well the thing is what we want to do with the oil money is put in aside for a rainy day like Norway? I could be wrong on that.

Now I know it may seem like we have a chip on our shoulders etcs but I must stress I personally do not. I have no issue being British, contrary I'm proud to be so, just as much as I am proud to be Scottish.

We currently run on the taxes already set, discounting the oil money. We can continue to do so and put money into a fund, from the oil sales as is proposed

When most economist says Salmond is wrong im more entitled to listen them than a slimy politician little scotlander
He doesn't even have a plan for a currency 6 months of the vote, well he did until he was laughed off by everyone. All I can say is good luck if the vote is yes because the plan is fatally flawed.
Im not saying it couldn't work some way it just doesn't work Salmonds way

 

[Anonymous]

All joking aside, there are plenty of English folk mocking those in the "independence" camp so can I ask those people why you would want Scotland to stay as part of the Union?

 

[RP2]

When does this non-event take place?

 

[sd92]

Really? And what would you do if Orkney and Shetland secede and take the oil with them?

Well the thing is what we want to do with the oil money is put in aside for a rainy day like Norway? I could be wrong on that.

Now I know it may seem like we have a chip on our shoulders etcs but I must stress I personally do not. I have no issue being British, contrary I'm proud to be so, just as much as I am proud to be Scottish.

We currently run on the taxes already set, discounting the oil money. We can continue to do so and put money into a fund, from the oil sales as is proposed

When most economist says Salmond is wrong im more entitled to listen them than a slimy politician little scotlander
He doesn't even have a plan for a currency 6 months of the vote, well he did until he was laughed off by everyone. All I can say is good luck if the vote is yes because the plan is fatally flawed.
Im not saying it couldn't work some way it just doesn't work Salmonds way

they have the backing of financial experts that have told them their plans will work...

 

[sd92]

When does this non-event take place?

This non event will take place on the 18th of September.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Well the thing is what we want to do with the oil money is put in aside for a rainy day like Norway? I could be wrong on that.

Now I know it may seem like we have a chip on our shoulders etcs but I must stress I personally do not. I have no issue being British, contrary I'm proud to be so, just as much as I am proud to be Scottish.

We currently run on the taxes already set, discounting the oil money. We can continue to do so and put money into a fund, from the oil sales as is proposed

When most economist says Salmond is wrong im more entitled to listen them than a slimy politician little scotlander
He doesn't even have a plan for a currency 6 months of the vote, well he did until he was laughed off by everyone. All I can say is good luck if the vote is yes because the plan is fatally flawed.
Im not saying it couldn't work some way it just doesn't work Salmonds way

they have the backing of financial experts that have told them their plans will work...

Without a currency??

 

[The Flash]

Well the thing is what we want to do with the oil money is put in aside for a rainy day like Norway? I could be wrong on that.

Now I know it may seem like we have a chip on our shoulders etcs but I must stress I personally do not. I have no issue being British, contrary I'm proud to be so, just as much as I am proud to be Scottish.

We currently run on the taxes already set, discounting the oil money. We can continue to do so and put money into a fund, from the oil sales as is proposed

When most economist says Salmond is wrong im more entitled to listen them than a slimy politician little scotlander
He doesn't even have a plan for a currency 6 months of the vote, well he did until he was laughed off by everyone. All I can say is good luck if the vote is yes because the plan is fatally flawed.
Im not saying it couldn't work some way it just doesn't work Salmonds way

they have the backing of financial experts that have told them their plans will work...

I find it very amusing that if independence is gained, the likes of RBS and Standard Life will have to move their HQ's to England.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

All joking aside, there are plenty of English folk mocking those in the "independence" camp so can I ask those people why you would want Scotland to stay as part of the Union?

I must confess to being one of the 'Mockers.' but that's down mostly to good humoured banter being prevalent amongst us and the Scotch, (smirk*).
There are also a goodly amount of us English in the mocking camp who don't give a flying one if Scotland quits the union, we will no longer have Jock MP's involved in our affairs whilst having none of ours in theirs, we can sit back and watch them set up their own currency, as they will be excluded from the EU, (Spain will veto entry), and we can badger the media, primarily the BBC into giving us presenters with an accent that was formulated somewhere south of Dumfries for a change.

 

[smudgedj]

I think most Scots want to stay in the Union.

If not then so be it, I'm an Englishman and proud of it.

If Independence comes it will be great to see all the Scottish MPs at Westminster leave and be banished back beyond "Hadrians Wall".

Perhaps we could repatriate all Scots that have settled south of the border. After all an Independent Scotland would not be part of the European Union.

That would create some jobs and housing!! Just a thought.

"Keep St George in my Heart keep me English, keep St George in my Heart I pray.........." and so the battle cry goes on!!

Don't forget the 5.3 million people off the books of the NHS and the huge decrease in Britain’s welfare bill.

You do realise that we find everything we do up here?

You guys benefit from our money?
We pay more in tax per head than you do?

This is not a chip on a shoulder it is a mere pointing out of facts.

We already pay for our own nhs. Our own welfare. We send money to Westminster and recieve a certain amount back. They spend the rest on rUK.

Ok I'll have to take your word for that - at the moment you fund everything - however what happens when you have to take on your share of the UKs debt? Your interest payments alone will be 5 billion a year. Never mind the money the UK taxpayer forked out to keep your banks afloat (was it 70 billion?)


You wont have the pound
You wont have membership of Europe
You'll be out of NATO
Out of the G6, 8, 20 (or whatever the fuckers are called this year)
Etc...blah blah blah

As someone has already stated it's going to be an interesting experiment - and if you do vote yes then good luck to you all.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's a common conception that London props up the rest of the UK economically. If they vote yes obviously a huge chunk of the UK will no longer be our problem, will this mean that areas in the remainder of the UK will improve?

I know this may be obvious to some but forgive my lack of knowledge.

 

[Gabriel]

It's a common conception that London props up the rest of the UK economically. If they vote yes obviously a huge chunk of the UK will no longer be our problem, will this mean that areas in the remainder of the UK will improve?

I know this may be obvious to some but forgive my lack of knowledge.

I wouldn't imagine so, but viewing the debate in terms of parts of the UK as being a problem does not necessarily help. As far as I know, Scotland, nor indeed any large part of the UK is a problem per se. If anything, the separation would likely accentuate the already wide gulf between London and the counties north of, say, the Severn. One would like to think that greater equality might ensue, but if it isn't happening now, I just can't imagine it will.

 

[cibaman]

All joking aside, there are plenty of English folk mocking those in the "independence" camp so can I ask those people why you would want Scotland to stay as part of the Union?

I suspect that a majority of Bluemooners are Labour supporters, or at least anti Tory. A yes vote would be a disaster for Labour.

I also suspect that many Tories would like a yes vote but cant say so publicly because of their Unionist tradition. When it was reported that "an unnamed cabinet minister" had said off the record that Scotland would keep the pound, I did wonder if it was part of a secret plan to tilt the referendum in favour of the yes vote.

 

[Davs 19]

Well the thing is what we want to do with the oil money is put in aside for a rainy day like Norway? I could be wrong on that.

Now I know it may seem like we have a chip on our shoulders etcs but I must stress I personally do not. I have no issue being British, contrary I'm proud to be so, just as much as I am proud to be Scottish.

We currently run on the taxes already set, discounting the oil money. We can continue to do so and put money into a fund, from the oil sales as is proposed

When most economist says Salmond is wrong im more entitled to listen them than a slimy politician little scotlander
He doesn't even have a plan for a currency 6 months of the vote, well he did until he was laughed off by everyone. All I can say is good luck if the vote is yes because the plan is fatally flawed.
Im not saying it couldn't work some way it just doesn't work Salmonds way

they have the backing of financial experts that have told them their plans will work...

You'r either woefully misinformed or on the wum. Thankfully, the majority will see through the self serving publicist that is Salmond and the union will continue.

God help Scotland if it doesn't.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's a common conception that London props up the rest of the UK economically. If they vote yes obviously a huge chunk of the UK will no longer be our problem, will this mean that areas in the remainder of the UK will improve?

I know this may be obvious to some but forgive my lack of knowledge.

I wouldn't imagine so, but viewing the debate in terms of parts of the UK as being a problem does not necessarily help. As far as I know, Scotland, nor indeed any large part of the UK is a problem per se. If anything, the separation would likely accentuate the already wide gulf between London and the counties north of, say, the Severn. One would like to think that greater equality might ensue, but if it isn't happening now, I just can't imagine it will.

I'm hoping the talk of creating a network up north to rival London comes true, Manchester being central to it.
It would be great for our City.