Scotland Independance Referendum

[dazdon]

Spot on. It amazes me that in the USA people can be 3000 miles apart and still count themselves as American, yet over here in an island smaller than most US states, people want their own separate identities. It just doesn't make sense.

Well England and Scotland have a very bloody history that both sides have never really got over.

I've got over it and tbh I don't think most English people give a fuck.

Exactly!

Whatever Scotland decides is ok with me and at least it will quell the whoring politicians one way or other.

 

[pee dubya]

If only we built walls as well as the Chinese did.

The walls didn't help them that much.

 

[Ban-jani]

I want Scotland to be part of the UK. I think it's ridiculous that from such a small island, we can't all get along and class ourselves as British.

I am with you there mate, but Labour let the cat out of the bag with Devolution it was a terrible idea, to me it would have been better slowly erasing the concept of separate countries.

It would be good if they do, but if they don't so be it, we will survive

Spot on. It amazes me that in the USA people can be 3000 miles apart and still count themselves as American, yet over here in an island smaller than most US states, people want their own separate identities. It just doesn't make sense.

Let's just class the rest of England as greater London then & forget our northern, Mancunian identities. I'm happy being English & British at the same time.

I'd prefer them to stay but I wouldn't blame them for starting afresh in a socialist democracy.

 

[croasdale]

I think they'd do ok on their own. There are plenty of countries their size that do fine. I don't understand why some English are getting so upset about it, with some reactions being down right spiteful.

All the talk of economics and politics is bollocks though. The most important question Scotland needs to answer is "Do we want to be our own country?".

If I was Scottish, I'd probably vote yes. It'd mean no more Tories for them, and that ain't a bad reason.

 

[Irwell]

The walls didn't help them that much.

That's true, but the Mongols were known for their tenacity, skill and ferociousness, whilst the Scots are renowned for being lazy, slothenly and substance-dependent.

 

[pee dubya]

The walls didn't help them that much.

That's true, but the Mongols were known for their tenacity, skill and ferociousness, whilst the Scots are renowned for being lazy, slothenly and substance-dependent.

Lazy and substance dependent maybe, but how dare you compare us to the abhorrent sloths.

 

[hgblue]

Yes, ideally that's how i feel i should make the decision.

The reality is though, with the amount of uncertainty involved, a logical decision feels basically impossible. Maybe if i'd studied economics, or social science, i'd have a stronger opinion on how we'd fare (although it seems those that have are split anyway), but as far as i can see, countries of a similar potential size range from amongst the highest standard of living in the World to failed states. And thats assuming that standard of living is the only important thing. Maybe it's better to have a slightly lower standard of living if it means more control over your own destiny.

My logical train of thought has led me to the conclusion that i can't make the decision logically. I don't have the information, there's too many variables and too much out of our control.

It really boils down to take a risk or play safe, since i don't know the odds it's a gut decision.

Perhaps a better usage for this thread then would be to invite people to convince to whether voting For/Against is correct or incorrect?

You've identified a major problem we have in social policy. There's so much information around that you cannot work out how to filter it and find the interesting points. Many people choose apathy or as you have, emotional decisions instead. I think this is a disservice to us all and the issues.

So you think there is genuinely a predictable likely outcome. I can see there probably is for the immediate aftermath, but i think that should only play a small part in the overall decision. Can I really predict what effect it'll have 50 years down the line, when my grand kids are asking my why on earth i didn't vote for ___.

I would ask people to convince, but first i wanted to see if people really cared. The overall response seems to be kind of spiteful.

Don't you feel British? Aren't you proud to be British? If the answer to those questions is no, I'd suggest you vote for independance, because speaking as a proud Englishman and Brit, I'd hate to share a country with people who aren't proud to be part of it.

 

[pee dubya]

So you think there is genuinely a predictable likely outcome. I can see there probably is for the immediate aftermath, but i think that should only play a small part in the overall decision. Can I really predict what effect it'll have 50 years down the line, when my grand kids are asking my why on earth i didn't vote for ___.

I would ask people to convince, but first i wanted to see if people really cared. The overall response seems to be kind of spiteful.

Don't you feel British? Aren't you proud to be British? If the answer to those questions is no, I'd suggest you vote for independance, because speaking as a proud Englishman and Brit, I'd hate to share a country with people who aren't proud to be part of it.

I used to feel more British and more proud of it than i do now.

Over time it's diminished, because of various different things. Most recently I suppose the prospect of having a referendum at all has really served to highlight the differences between us and the rest of the UK. And i might be mistaken, this isn't just based on this forum, but the people in the rest of the UK don't seem overly bothered about the prospect of separation. Why should we be proud to be part of something where we're not really wanted?

I certainly don't feel any animosity towards the rest of the UK though.

 

[obliquerays]

About three reasoned, intelligent responses among a swathe of ignorance and casual xenophobia ... seems about right.

 

[Chancy Termites]

This is about the only argument I can come up with for wanting Scotland to remain in the UK.