Scottish independence

[blueinsa]

I see breaking news claims Mr Salmond accusing Westminster of yes, you guessed it....scaremongering pmsl.

Does the c**t ever change the record?

He does have a point though.

Majority of the No Thanks campaign seems to be based around fear. There's very little facts from that side, it really does just seem to be scaring people into not taking the risk of Scotland going independent.

The farce with the supermarkets last week was ridiculous and proved Salmond to be correct about the scaremongering.

As opposed to the yes campaign shouting loudly with fingers in their ears it's all theirs, the pound, the warships, the oil etc and they can do what they want with it lol.

Fact is given the topography and population of Scotland, deliveries to a large part of their landmass under independence would no longer be financially viable for any business to take a hit on and the cost of goods is going to rise.

 

[Martyn]

Can anyone explain why the polls say is 51% to No and 49% yes but the bookies have the No campaign as heavy favourites?

 

[Matty]

I see breaking news claims Mr Salmond accusing Westminster of yes, you guessed it....scaremongering pmsl.

Does the c**t ever change the record?

He does have a point though.

Majority of the No Thanks campaign seems to be based around fear. There's very little facts from that side, it really does just seem to be scaring people into not taking the risk of Scotland going independent.

The farce with the supermarkets last week was ridiculous and proved Salmond to be correct about the scaremongering.

Salmond hasn't been proven correct on anything he's said thus far. You claim what the No vote are doing is scaremongering, when in reality they are simply stating facts, facts which fly in the face of most things Salmond is trying to claim are true. Scotland won't get the pound, that's been universally stated by all political parties in Britain, and by the Treasury. Salmond can claim Scotland will have it as much as he likes, the simple fact is they won't. The increase in costs for certain goods is also a foregone conclusion. Do you really thing that places like Wick, and the far flung areas of Northern Scotland, are going to get the same produce in their supermarkets as they do today, for the same cost? For starters, we are now talking about most of these goods being imported into Scotland directly (as opposed to being imported into Britain), we're talking different taxation levels, different costs involved in the transportation etc. We're also talking about the logistics of taking products into sparcely populated areas. The costs of deliveries to Scotland at present is balanced out over the wider cost of delivering to Britain as a whole, supermarkets are more willing to carry the cost of delivering to areas with little demand and keeping prices down as they get the benefits form bulk delivery elsewhere. Aside from the Glasgow/Edinburgh belt Scotland's population density is really, really low, the desire to deliver to these areas won't be there if the costs benefits can't be shared out over the wider area, the populated areas of Scotland aren't big enough to carry the can here, so if you want Tescos to have your Kelloggs Cornflakes in John O'Groats then be prepared to pay more for that in an independent Scotland. Not forgetting , of course, that goods produced in England/Wales will now be imports from a foreign country, with the associated costs, taxes etc, that cost will feed through to the consumer.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Can anyone explain why the polls say is 51% to No and 49% yes but the bookies have the No campaign as heavy favourites?

All depends on the poll sample size, where it was taken, who commissioned it and what format it used to obtain responses. The bookies will probably have the best information of anyone but might not want to release it.

 

[Matty]

Can anyone explain why the polls say is 51% to No and 49% yes but the bookies have the No campaign as heavy favourites?

Because that's how the betting has been going. The bookies don't care what opinion polls say, if for the last 12 months people have been lumping on a no vote at the bookies then they will keep the odds for that low as they don't want to lose out financially. Plus, despite an occasional poll saying yes is marginally in front, it's human nature to fear change so I wouldn't be surprised if, at the last minute, the no votes take it.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Can anyone explain why the polls say is 51% to No and 49% yes but the bookies have the No campaign as heavy favourites?

All depends on the poll sample size, where it was taken, who commissioned it and what format it used to obtain responses. The bookies will probably have the best information of anyone but might not want to release it.

The bookies odds will also reflect the money that has been placed on both outcomes.
I think that the bookies tend to be more streetwise than our politicians and realise that this is a "head" and "heart" issue.
A lot of people may say YES when polled but when they actually have to vote for real they will vote NO.

 

[malg]

Can anyone explain why the polls say is 51% to No and 49% yes but the bookies have the No campaign as heavy favourites?

My mum has just come back from Scotland, and said that (from her experience) quite a few NO voters are saying they will vote Yes so as not to appear unpatriotic. I expect the NO vote to win by more than 2% points.

 

[adrianr]

I see breaking news claims Mr Salmond accusing Westminster of yes, you guessed it....scaremongering pmsl.

Does the c**t ever change the record?

He does have a point though.

Majority of the No Thanks campaign seems to be based around fear. There's very little facts from that side, it really does just seem to be scaring people into not taking the risk of Scotland going independent.

The farce with the supermarkets last week was ridiculous and proved Salmond to be correct about the scaremongering.

Salmond hasn't been proven correct on anything he's said thus far. You claim what the No vote are doing is scaremongering, when in reality they are simply stating facts, facts which fly in the face of most things Salmond is trying to claim are true. Scotland won't get the pound, that's been universally stated by all political parties in Britain, and by the Treasury. Salmond can claim Scotland will have it as much as he likes, the simple fact is they won't. The increase in costs for certain goods is also a foregone conclusion. Do you really thing that places like Wick, and the far flung areas of Northern Scotland, are going to get the same produce in their supermarkets as they do today, for the same cost? For starters, we are now talking about most of these goods being imported into Scotland directly (as opposed to being imported into Britain), we're talking different taxation levels, different costs involved in the transportation etc. We're also talking about the logistics of taking products into sparcely populated areas. The costs of deliveries to Scotland at present is balanced out over the wider cost of delivering to Britain as a whole, supermarkets are more willing to carry the cost of delivering to areas with little demand and keeping prices down as they get the benefits form bulk delivery elsewhere. Aside from the Glasgow/Edinburgh belt Scotland's population density is really, really low, the desire to deliver to these areas won't be there if the costs benefits can't be shared out over the wider area, the populated areas of Scotland aren't big enough to carry the can here, so if you want Tescos to have your Kelloggs Cornflakes in John O'Groats then be prepared to pay more for that in an independent Scotland. Not forgetting , of course, that goods produced in England/Wales will now be imports from a foreign country, with the associated costs, taxes etc, that cost will feed through to the consumer.

Scaremonger!!

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Not forgetting , of course, that goods produced in England/Wales will now be imports from a foreign country, with the associated costs, taxes etc, that cost will feed through to the consumer.

Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that there's free trade within the EU and as such they're not subject to any import taxes (with the possible exception of alcohol/tobacco).

 

[blueinsa]

Not forgetting , of course, that goods produced in England/Wales will now be imports from a foreign country, with the associated costs, taxes etc, that cost will feed through to the consumer.

Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that there's free trade within the EU and as such they're not subject to any import taxes (with the possible exception of alcohol/tobacco).

An independent Scotland won't be in the EU and will face a huge battle to gain entry, FACT Mr Salmond and not scaremongering.