Sergio's Offside, factually definitive or interpretive ?

[Deleted member 77198]

The original offside rule was simple amd worked for decades.

All this arsing aroimd with it the last 20 years and changimg the rules every other season has made it ridiculous.

Offsid wshould be simple
When the ball is played if any player is in an offside positin it's offside
No intefering with play bollocks
No is onside but ran g back from an offside postion.
No toe, elbow or hand marginals, full body is offside amuthinh else is benefit to stricker.

As it was once before and was not a problem in the first place.

I think the current offside rule is the best it’s ever been.

 

[urban genie]

I think the current offside rule is the best it’s ever been.

It's wank, original rule was fine, you were off if your body was offside or you were onside, simple as that.

Yes add a caveat that an injured player should be exempt unless the injury is false and the gets up and score/assist.

But bar that should be full body offside anywhere on the pitch or no offside.

But then I am old fashioned.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

He was back onside when he received the ball, therefore he wasn’t ‘seeking to gain an advantage’. Erickson played the ball backwards, it would have reached Agüero anyway, the fact it deflected off Bernardo is unfortunate, as this gave the var officials the opportunity to over rule it... incorrectly in my opinion as Sergio gained no advantage, nor did he ‘seek’ one. Horrible feeling, as the ref didn’t call it, the linesman didn’t call it, no Spurs player appealed for it, infact they sank to their knees, Lloris threw himself back in anguish. We were robbed on a technicality that is very wrong.

I don’t think it would have gone to Aguero had Bernardo not been there as there was a spurs player behind Bernardo who Erickson was passing to.

It was a gutting way to end the game though!

 

[lancs blue]

"Clear and obvious" doesn't apply to line calls, a player is either offside or onside, no matter how marginal - just as with the goal-line tech,the ball is either completely over the line or it's not.

 

[es1]

Do they check every possible offside decision then??

Because in normal play the linesman doesn’t flag and play goes on. Someone might score 2 minutes later but play still went on and a potential offside may have affected play.

In this instance, the linesman didn’t flag and indicated for a goal scored. Surely then, he couldn’t notice the offside so it’s not clear and obvious so wouldn’t in theory be checked. Also how far do we now look back and try and assess a decision affecting goal scoring play??

What stinks even more than the referee only viewing the handball decision from one angle, is that no actual official on ground level came to that decision. They just blindly say yeah alright then.

It's a valid point you raise, if loris had saved it for a corner which we scored from the goal would have stood

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think the current offside rule is the best it’s ever been.

I agree, although I fear we’re in a minority.

Edit: note to self; must try and stay off this thread if I’m going to avoid seeing the goal.TTFN!

 

[hampshireblue]

"Clear and obvious" doesn't apply to line calls, a player is either offside or onside, no matter how marginal - just as with the goal-line tech,the ball is either completely over the line or it's not.

And the however marginal is the bit that needs looking at. How is it sensible or logical that a goal can be ruled out because an attacker is 1cm beyond a defender who could be out of his eye line and up to 70m away on the other side of the pitch. Clear daylight between attacker and defender clears it up for all as VAR would pick it up easier but so crucially would the linos.

 

[half & half derby scarf]

I agree, although I fear we’re in a minority.

Edit: note to self; must try and stay off this thread if I’m going to avoid seeing the goal.TTFN!

The current offside rule is a shambles. Clear air between the last defender and an attacker would clean it up once and for all, thus avoiding situations like that on Wednesday.

 

[lancs blue]

And the however marginal is the bit that needs looking at. How is it sensible or logical that a goal can be ruled out because an attacker is 1cm beyond a defender who could be out of his eye line and up to 70m away on the other side of the pitch. Clear daylight between attacker and defender clears it up for all as VAR would pick it up easier but so crucially would the linos.

Trouble is that "clear daylight" could be marginal too, it's still a line decision.

 

[neilyoungsboots]

For me the rule should be 'would a competent linesman be able to rule Aquero offside in real time'.... I would have said no - but that's subjective and not the var rule. I would want the offside to be clear and obvious not some kind of line drawing exercise where the line would move depending on the frame selected.