bluemiester
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pauljv92 said:bluemiester said:Killafleez said:5th, then 3rd & FA cup, now at least 2nd position. Why would you replace him!?! Rome or the walls of babylon weren't built in a day!
I think that's a very generous way of looking at things and not really representative of Prem history. Only two other teams have had such great financial backing from a rich owner comparitive to the competition. Yet both Chelsea and Blackburn won the Prem within 3 seasons. I think it's ridiculous how people defend Mancinni by simply outlining how we've moved forward, as given the extraordinary financial benefits we have, the very least we should expect in progress. I'm not saying he should stay or go, but he deserves very little in the way of praise. Given how long the owners have been at the club and the money we've spent, we should expect to be challenging on all 4 fronts no matter who is in charge.
You may think I'm being unfair, but 8 members of our sqaud cost over £20 million. The are numerous others who cost over £14 million. You can over complicate things all you want by talking about needing time etc, but the truth is compared to other massive spenders, we've progressed the slowest, yet have probably had the biggest financial advantage ever. Two years after Abramovich took over, Mourinho made mice meat of Utd, by finishing 18 points ahead of them. Our fans tend to compare us and Bobby to other current Prem teams, but in reality to get a better view of how things are going we need to look at the rare examples of other clubs that have been on a position like ours. When you do that, Bobby's 5th, 3rd, 2nd (hope not) and an FA Cup, don't look so good.
Mate its about continuity. The reason we didn't roll over and lose today is because of the winning mentality Bobby has instilled in our team. Chelsea were in the CL even before Roman took over and many many other clubs such as Malaga have failed to reach the standards despite heavy investment. Heck, even PSG is 2nd in the league at the moment despite their Oil investment or being coached by who many here consider to be a better manager than Mancini. As martin o neill said, its history that is against us - the general lack of success of this club in recent decades and being minnows to our neighbours for so long/. But from the fa cup victory over them to the 1-6, slowly Bobby is helping to change our mentality to be champions. And if not this year, Im certain we will it next year, because we will be stronger. Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham may get stronger so itd be closer and tightly fought but we will still win it because of the winning mentality Bobby has instilled in us.
I'm not saying he should stay or go, but fans so often come out with statemtns such as "it's about continutiy" with very little to back it up. There are examples of clubs being successful by keepinga coach, but there a loads more who progress quickly by changing a coach. People point to Fergie as a manger that was given time, but ignore the likes of Mourinho and Wenger who replaced managers and made rapid progress.
Also you can't really make claims about Bobby giving us a winning mentality. The improvements have conincided with massive spening in the transfer market on world class players. Yet fans come out with things that are completely unsubstantiated, such as he's given us a "winning mentallity" and thus beleive he's really doing a good job.
Chesea lost 7 games the season prior to Mourinho and just 1 in his fisrt season. The difference he made was massive and quick. PSG have only this season had the big money. Malaga are where we were when Hughes took over.
Basically it's difficult to quantify what Bobby has really added. A lto of fans like him and seeing as we've improved actively look for reasons to credit him for this. But if you take a look a football history and how the geam really works, there is no reason to believe he's much of an asset to the club. I think the truth is we'll win the league next season, as we will spend a fortune in the summer. Then whoever is in charge, be it Bobby or someone else, will get praise for being "tactically astute" or a "born winner" etc.
In my opinion, if we buy Modric or Hazard, we could leave Kidd and Platt in charge next year and we'd win the league.