so this agenda thing.

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The media Agenda and FFP are stacked against us on these shores and UEFA respectively. Fortunately they have created a siege mentality within the Club as a whole. It is of great benefit, and the infamous stumble to the line by the Dippers last season during the Gerard love in was perfection.
We are all up for the fight. Hull away, Everton away.
I never liked the "We're not really here" song but it has more relevance now than ever. I cannot wait to sing it at a Champions League Final with all the world watching.
They won't "get it" but we do.
 
tonea2003 said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
tonea2003 said:
i don't believe there is a specific agenda at uefa to keep city out, to keep the old guard in? yes maybe but that's not specific to us. we appear to be the primary focus as we are the ones knocking on the door at this moment in time.
and then its suggested that there is collusion between all and sundry to keep it that way, all circumstantial.

the bias in the media is undoubtedly there, but that is all about supply and demand and playing to the masses
at this moment in time we will just have to suck it up.
over time this may change.
the city shirt issue, that will be a generation away, we are only just starting to win trophies on anything like a consistent basis and will have to continue to do so.

.........which amounts to exactly the same thing!

no it isn't, this thread is about an agenda specifically aimed at keeping city at bay.
what uefa are doing is not just about manchester city.
two different things.

Whilst I would tend to agree, it's still a distinction not worth making though, given that only one club is being actively stymied from joining the top table. Us. The only other club to get properly clobbered has been PSG, a largely academic exercise given their lack of competition domestically and the inherent difficulty of their sustaining a long term threat on the European stage due to the unattractiveness of La Ligue to both the very best players and the global media alike.
 
Little excerpt from a piece in the star today;

The Premier League champions were yesterday grouped with Bayern Munich, Roma and CSKA Moscow, where captain Yaya Toure suffered racist abuse last season.

A disappointing display in the group stages last season, when they also faced the same Russian and German sides, meant City were paired with Barcelona in the last 16, when they crashed out.
Yep, you said it, 5 wins out of 6,qualified by Matchday four, more points than most group winners, level on points at the top of the group with the reigning champions and so called "best team in the world" at the time with "the greatest manager in the world", also joint highest scorers in the groups.
We were disappointing.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
tonea2003 said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
.........which amounts to exactly the same thing!

no it isn't, this thread is about an agenda specifically aimed at keeping city at bay.
what uefa are doing is not just about manchester city.
two different things.

Whilst I would tend to agree, it's still a distinction not worth making though, given that only one club is being actively stymied from joining the top table. Us. The only other club to get properly clobbered has been PSG, a largely academic exercise given their lack of competition domestically and the inherent difficulty of their sustaining a long term threat on the European stage due to the unattractiveness of La Ligue to both the very best players and the global media alike.

ultimately if we are good enough we will beat them in anycase and the safety net of pot 1 will be reached
 
Great piece from my favourite journalist Martin Samuel in the Daily fail:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2737164/Champions-League-draw-tedious-bent-travesty-rewards-mediocre-old-guard-instead-domestic-champions.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... paign=1490</a>

here's what he says if you don't want to click on the link:

Champions League draw is a tedious and bent travesty that rewards the mediocre old-guard instead of domestic champions

Manchester City to face Bayern Munich, CSKA Moscow and Roma
Liverpool handed Real Madrid test as well as Basle and Ludogorets
Arsenal in Group D with Borussia Dortmund, Galatasaray and Anderlecht
Chelsea to play German side Schalke as well as Sporting Lisbon and Maribor

By Martin Samuel - Sport

So here comes another one, just like the other one. The best team in England have the toughest Champions League draw. Again.

Manchester City will play Bayern Munich. Again. And CSKA Moscow. Again. Meanwhile, Arsenal meet Borussia Dortmund and Chelsea face Schalke 04. Again, again.

Each tie listed here is a repeat of last year’s pairings. It is so tame, so predictable. When will UEFA sort out the abomination that is their seeding system?

For a body so keen on fairness, the concept goes out of the window whenever the dead hand of UEFA reaches for its little balls in bowls.

The elite are protected so that Arsenal, who last won the title in 2004 and needed to pre-qualify this year, are shielded from the toughest opposition, while Manchester City, reigning champions with two title wins in three years, must again climb a mountain to reach the later stages.

It is warped. Bent in favour of the established elite so that there were more champions in pots B and D than in marquee pot A. This produces ferociously unfair match-ups.

Every team in Group A, for instance, are national champions — Atletico Madrid, Juventus, Olympiacos and Malmo — while Arsenal and Chelsea have to contend with a single league winner apiece, Anderlecht of Belgium for Arsene Wenger, Maribor of Slovenia for Chelsea.

Manchester City face Bayern Munich and CSKA Moscow, champions of Germany and Russia.

The whole process reeks of protectionism. Michel Platini, UEFA president, says he will address this at the next Champions League summit, but then bleats that he needs the permission of the clubs to change. He means the old, rich ones of course — it is not as if the others matter.

The co-efficient rankings that are used to insure the most powerful against their mediocrity could equally be used to implement a fairer competition. UEFA’s points system also reveals the identity of the strongest leagues in club competition — currently Spain, England, Germany, Portugal, Italy, Russia and France.

So the champions of those countries should be the seven top seeds, plus the Champions League holders. This would create a more egalitarian pot A, comprising Atletico Madrid, Manchester City, Bayern Munich, Benfica, Juventus, CSKA Moscow, Paris Saint Germain and Real Madrid. Fairer already.

Pot B would then be taken from the champions of the next eight leagues off the rank, if they had qualified – meaning Ukraine (Shakhtar Donetsk), Holland (Ajax), Belgium (Anderlecht), Switzerland (Basle) and Greece (Olympiacos), plus the second-placed teams from Spain (Barcelona), England (Liverpool) and Germany (Borussia Dortmund).

Using this system, pot C would be Malmo, BATE Borisov, Apoel Nicosia, Sporting Lisbon, Roma, Zenit St Petersburg, Monaco and Chelsea, and pot D the remainder, including Arsenal and Bayer Leverkusen, who cannot surely expect to come fourth and be seeded any higher. That way there would be genuine movement in the rankings, and fresh match-ups each year.

And, yes, under that system Manchester City could end up with Olympiacos, Apoel Nicosia and Ludogorets Razgrad and Arsenal with Real Madrid, Ajax and Roma — but as one team won its league and the other came fourth, why should it be any other way? This is the Champions League. That title should mean something.

Instead, domestic success counts for nothing and the same teams meet year after year, often with the same results.

This is the third time in four seasons that Manchester City will have faced Bayern Munich at the group stage, and the same applies to Arsenal and Borussia Dortmund. How is that healthy, or compelling?

When the Champions League began it felt exotic and new, now the group stage only gets interesting if one of the big boys messes up.

It is a routine revenue-generating process, there to fill TV primetime and only undertaken as a means to an end.

We know the serious stuff begins after Christmas, once a free draw heralds the arrival of the knock-out stage.

Deep down, that is what football’s establishment fears, of course: not being good enough, not being up to the test.

It is to UEFA’s shame that they then indulge this naked protectionism. Either Platini is complacent, or foolish; probably both.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Little excerpt from a piece in the star today;

The Premier League champions were yesterday grouped with Bayern Munich, Roma and CSKA Moscow, where captain Yaya Toure suffered racist abuse last season.

A disappointing display in the group stages last season, when they also faced the same Russian and German sides, meant City were paired with Barcelona in the last 16, when they crashed out.
Yep, you said it, 5 wins out of 6,qualified by Matchday four, more points than most group winners, level on points at the top of the group with the reigning champions and so called "best team in the world" at the time with "the greatest manager in the world", also joint highest scorers in the groups.
We were disappointing.
nothing at all wrong with that though

Finishing on the same number of points as the European Champions is pretty disappointing in anyone's book
 
aguero93:20 said:
Little excerpt from a piece in the star today;

The Premier League champions were yesterday grouped with Bayern Munich, Roma and CSKA Moscow, where captain Yaya Toure suffered racist abuse last season.

A disappointing display in the group stages last season, when they also faced the same Russian and German sides, meant City were paired with Barcelona in the last 16, when they crashed out.
Yep, you said it, 5 wins out of 6,qualified by Matchday four, more points than most group winners, level on points at the top of the group with the reigning champions and so called "best team in the world" at the time with "the greatest manager in the world", also joint highest scorers in the groups.
We were disappointing.

It's all about context.

Whoever wrote this piece was obviously massively disappointed, especially when we won in Minuch.
 
tonea2003 said:
razman said:
de niro said:
it is but there are some that dont want to see.


i was going to post it as a new topic....but it saw covered here and the other post

good article though

i agree with the above but it isn't an agenda to just keep city out as many in here keep going on about, its to keep everyone out.

But we are the greatest threat to that cartel hence its mainly focused on us.
 
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