Spurs (H) 2nd Leg - Post Match Thread

premierkissov said:
VAR as it stands cannot give a definitive answer in really tight offsides. They appear to be using bog standard 25fps video, so even if they pick the very best freeze-frame (not a given) this could be as much as 1/50th of a second out from where the ball is actually struck. A player can move nearly 20cm in 1/50 sec; a ball can move even further than that. This means that when players are moving (as they usually are) either in to or out of an offside position, it just isn't feasible for VAR to be certain when you're dealing with a really tight one with just a few centimetres in it. This should all be quite obvious but there doesn't seem to be any recognition within the VAR system (or from the TV pundits) that their freeze-frame is going to be anything less than perfect.

All that said, I don't think we can grumble about the Aguero off side last night.
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This is a great point.

Its one of the most valuable sports in the world but key decisions have now been handed to a system which is technically not fit for purpose. The VAR video feeds should be UHD 60 to 100 fps video, the equipment is available to do it.

The Sergio 'goal' last night was a lot closer than it looked, probably less than 100mm in it... more video frames could well have confined he was onside
 
premierkissov said:
VAR as it stands cannot give a definitive answer in really tight offsides. They appear to be using bog standard 25fps video, so even if they pick the very best freeze-frame (not a given) this could be as much as 1/50th of a second out from where the ball is actually struck. A player can move nearly 20cm in 1/50 sec; a ball can move even further than that. This means that when players are moving (as they usually are) either in to or out of an offside position, it just isn't feasible for VAR to be certain when you're dealing with a really tight one with just a few centimetres in it. This should all be quite obvious but there doesn't seem to be any recognition within the VAR system (or from the TV pundits) that their freeze-frame is going to be anything less than perfect.

All that said, I don't think we can grumble about the Aguero off side last night.
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Maybe it should have a tolerance favouring the attacker? Maybe they should use 500fps to reduce max player movement to 1cm? Maybe we just carry on as we are? Either way we have a line, we have a rule and we stick to it.
 
Mancity1980 said:
Maybe it should have a tolerance favouring the attacker? Maybe they should use 500fps to reduce max player movement to 1cm? Maybe we just carry on as we are? Either way we have a line, we have a rule and we stick to it.
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Yes, and I'm happy with the idea of VAR stepping in where there is the proverbial "obvious error". But this requires the people using VAR to at least understand what its limitations are. Maybe they do understand the limitations, but are now scared of being roasted by TV pundits who have always put way too much faith in their freeze-frames.

At half-time last night they showed a VAR off-side decision from the Liverpool game where the ball was completely hidden behind another player. I honestly couldn't understand why they'd gone to the trouble of drawing in lines to show whether the attacking player was in an off-side position, when you literally couldn't see any of the ball.
 
Only just been able to bring myself to go online.

Gutted doesn’t even come close. The feeling of unconfined rapture followed by absolute desolation is one I’ll never forget.

We lost because of the same old problems. The first two spuds goals were utterly needless (as was the goal on the first leg). Individual errors. Let’s just say the third goal may have been disallowed against the istree clubs. They’ve got battered for 160 out of 180 minutes across two legs but gone through.
 
guvnors son mcfc said:
Working away in Edinburgh and so Bluemoon advise was to watch City in the 3 Sisters bar. Thinking it was a place where City fans from the area would go. Fucking rammed with Liverpool fans !! Not great when you celebrate like a Loony when Sterling bags the winner only for hundreds in the pub to go mental when VAR was given offside. Horrible night, great game but can’t help but believe UEFA are bent !!
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Strange bunch. They were watching city not Liverpool?

Also any Liverpool fan with half a brain (rare I accept) should know that it would have been far better for them if we’d progressed
 
What a fantastic game of football tho, marred by two dodgy decisions, as it was, it was still a nail biter.

Don't get me wrong I'm gutted. Absolutely.

Felt like crying when they scored that last goal, but then what seemed like an age of holding breath for the var decision anger followed.

Then more joy at Sterling's ht, then disbelief we could be denied.

Again.

Pep's said we did our best, & on the night, we just faced an incredible team that stretched us for over 90 min.

Regardless of var, a team was going away last night as losers and after that game it was a pity someone had to lose.

Fu(k var & fu(k uefa, the corrupt bastards.

I wonder wtf will happen on Saturday now. I can't go, I'm working away.

Win that & we win the treble. That's all we need to focus on now.
 
VAR completely ruined the evening for me. What is the fucking point of watching a live game then having to stand around waiting to see if you can celebrate a goal based on a decision by some **** watching TV (which might turn out to be wrong)? Win or lose last night felt like going to watch games has changed significantly, and not for the better.
 
Just to put a downer on things, we also lost to a Spurs team without a couple of their best players.

In good news maybe Pep will convince the board for the need for a few top class players in key areas in the summer as its clear we're just short.
 
That was just so fucking cruel. So fucking cruel.

The anti-93.20.

Never felt shock like that. The joy, the linesman's flag down, the spurs players on the floor, not appealing. Then offside.

Gutted. We deserved more.

I'll get over it though, as long as they don't go on to win the thing. And we win the league.
 
It came down to very small margins. 1st leg, we missed a penalty. That was huge in the context of the tie and then defended awfully for their goal. Yes their 3rd last night should not have counted but we created most of their chances by giving the ball away sloppily inside our own half, which we have done so a lot this season. We still had chances to win but our set pieces are a joke, even free kicks these days, Sane aside v Schalke, look poor. We all know we are probably the worst team in Europe for corners though last nights were a new low.

Going back to small margins, we were unlucky Kane crocked himself. Spurs look much better without him and with Son up front. Look at the winning run they had when he was out earlier this season. Then another injury last night which led the the guy coming on to score the 3rd.
Honestly cannot complain re the result, it could have gone any way last night and bar letting Spurs waste time constantly from every throw in and goal kick and not adding enough injury time on for the injury and time wasting, and being lenient on yellows (how did Rose stay on the pitch), compared to the cheat we had last season v Liverpool i have no real issues with the officials in the 2 legs. Crap defending and goal keeping is what has knocked us out.

Going back to Rose, what a horrible little cheat of a player he is. Always been a diver but last night was pathetic, especially when he held his face and replays show he was not even touched
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Goalkeeper goes up to catch the ball and is buffeted. Foul all day long, but was it a City defender who buffeted him? Also , the initial corner where Eddie came tear-arsing out to beat the Spurs player? The guy was two yards offside, right in front of the lino. I think I haven't got incidents confused!!
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Didn't look offside on the TV, was about a yard onside in fact on the replay.
 
Metalartin said:
MEN are incorrect. It doesn't matter where the arm is for a goal scored or whether it was deliberate you already cannot score with the arm, the rules are being changed because it doesn't already spell it out but the offside rule already infers it. He didn't see it hit the arm... the ref taps his hip. He wasn't given the behind the goal angle directly in front of it. It hurts but we are going to have to suck up the fact we had a wrong decision go against us again.
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Are you sure about the rules? Until the rules spell it out next year you can’t infer a decision from an offside rule for a handball decision. Five-live also stated the same, it is hard to take, but take it we must. Last year we were shafted by the referee, this year we were unlucky, but credit to spurs they earned their luck. We are not arrogant rags or self entitled dippers we are Man City and we fight to the end, we celebrate our successes and take our setbacks on the chin with a touch of manc humour and come back stronger.
 
Absolutely gutted, only love hate like this ????

good morning after the nightmare before bedtime

well how do a start ??? pain and so much hurt

i could headline my post with almost 10 times with something negative but am not going down that route and i have done all the punishment and kicked every thing myself last night, thank god a don't have a cat or dog ???? football was never like this and i don't think my body can take much more, yes winning is great and over the past 10 years we have had ups and downs and losses, but last night was a kick in the teeth and hurt so much ???

could not ask much more of the players and manager and club. and we played our part in a game that will live long in the minds and i don't think losing last night will hurt us in the long run, and i now believe pep in what he was saying that we are not ready to win in europe and the knockouts stages is another level we must learn to deal with

but VAR and we all have been saying it ?? will kill the game we all love, it just does not work or should i say just another tool for the officials to help cheat ??? because last night clearly something dodgy happened ?? the spurs goal was hand ball and a couple of replays shows it clearly hitting the arm but VAR was showing the ref the wrong clip ??? and its looks like it just hit the hip of the spurs player ??? they even played it in slow motion and the ref still got it wrong ?? was it just me or am the only one that could i see the ball clear hitting the arm and the muscle ripple with contact ???

any way its done and dusted and we must pick our self up and go again still bigger picture for me is the premier league and fa cup now we have a clear picture and can 100% go for both and even winning one of them will be a good season, so lets believe and smile the sun is out manchester city are a fucking great club and would not swap my team for all the tea in china (but boy you live your life being a blue) hurt pain joy glory sorrow all in 90 minutes of a manchester city game ???
 
BT Sport and BBC are an embarrassment.
We didn’t get BEAT by Spurs.
They went through on the away goals rule.
It was our own fault. We gifted them the chances to score. Until we sort out that problem in our game, we won’t progress in CL.

The crowd were immense. They deserve credit for the atmosphere they created.
Can’t see us being so charitable on Saturday.
 
rnblade said:
BT Sport and BBC are an embarrassment.
We didn’t get BEAT by Spurs.
They went through on the away goals rule.
It was our own fault. We gifted them the chances to score. Until we sort out that problem in our game, we won’t progress in CL.

The crowd were immense. They deserve credit for the atmosphere they created.
Can’t see us being so charitable on Saturday.
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Yes the unbridled joy of all these wankers is another downside to losing on away goals. The better team lost but that's football. In any game if your centre half and keeper play like someone plucked them from Sunday league football and threw them in the deep end you are up against it.
 
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