Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[Bluemoon230989]

Re: Stadium Expansion excitement!

Apologies if already posted - anyone seen this?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Tickets-and-Seasoncards/Waiting-List" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Tickets-and-Seaso ... iting-List</a>

Thanks for the link, the FAQs tab should answer lots of questions about renewals/waiting lists/moving seats etc.

 

[mostonbluemark]

This shit escalated quickly, didn't it?

It seems all the lunatics escaped from the asylum at the same time. City announce a stadium expansion to c61500 with some cheap tickets available for £299 and on come the moaners. Its beyond me.

 

[Utter bobbins]

This shit escalated quickly, didn't it?

It seems all the lunatics escaped from the asylum at the same time. City announce a stadium expansion to c61500 with some cheap tickets available for £299 and on come the moaners. Its beyond me.

Some fuckers on here would moan if they won the euro millions jackpot claiming it wasn't enough

 

[CatMan]

Re: Blocks 115/114: Made For Proper Singning Sections

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Seeing as the away fans are losing block 115 and half of block 114, I'm hoping the club are thinking what I'm currently thinking?

Turning those one and a half blocks into proper singing sections. Singing sections the fans have always wanted.

I sincerely hope the club takes this opportunity to look at this idea, and if need be, work with and alongside the 1894 Group and the fans to make it become a reality. A part of the stadium where dedicated singers can met up, get together, and sing as much as possible throughout the game.

As I've mentioned on numerous occasions, a *1894 season ticket*, limited to those 2 blocks would be great.

An additional £10 could be added to the price of the season ticket to pay for flags, banners, displays, etc. That would bring in £7500 per season.(750 seats) The 1894 group working alongside the club could decide what that money is spent on. I'm £100% sure people wouldn't mind paying it.

I appreciate there is so much going on at the club ATM, but I sincerely hope the club will at least look at the idea and see if it is workable, and if it fits in with what the club wants for the fans and the stadium?

Any feedback would be welcome, regardless. If nothing else it gives the club an idea of what the fans think of the idea.(tin hat on)

Comparing the artist impressions with this Seating Plan, leads me to suspect that what we imagine may be a healthy supply of these cheaper tickets £299-£449 may not be as healthy as we would be lead to believe!

In the artist impressions there are huge screens in the corners, yet the ticket planner would visually lead you to belive there will be corner blocks of cheap seats. I have also seen on another thread a construction guru mention he was privvy to the fact that there will effectively be voids in these areas to house those screens! (In effect what would be blocks 311,312,319,320,332,333,340 &341 which will never exist)

So with all this considered, my estimation is that out of the 6 blocks behind each goal, only the outer 2 on each side are entitled to cheaper lights blue seating. If each of these blocks contain 1000 seats then by my guesstimate only around 2/3 or 660 seats (thereabouts) in each of the 4 of the blocks at both ends will be in the £299-£449 range.

Across both ends that is 5280 (4 BLOCKS OF 660 X 2 ENDS)

Of course only a percentage of these seats, and nobody really knows what that will be will be, will see a £299 pricetag.

If it is as low as around 1000, then that is not much more than we already sell as 'Value Gold' If the rest were at £449, well again, that is what some adults seats are within the lower tier of the family stand!

Now I know there are also people on this site who have been present at certain meetings with the club where the nuances of all this was discussed. My question to those who were present is surely one of you managed to ask specific questions with regards to pricing structure over the next 2-3 years for all parts of the stadium, and what answers did you receive?

 

[Marvin]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

I tink I recall that someone on here mentioned that ultimately the east and west stands might be converted in a similar way giving us a capacity approaching 80k.. Obviously something for the future but hey, think big!!

Liking that. 4th tier. It will be like the Nou Camp

 

[Skashion]

Sorry Skash I meant the cost of the proposed £299 cards?
I think people are moaning for nothing.

Oh right, I knew you're weren't moaning though. I'm just saying the cost of building the ground extension is none of our business because Sheikh Mansour will be paying the upfront costs and it will eventually be borne by those in the new section. Certainly no negatives for us as fans from that perspective. In fact, I can't really see any at all.

 

[Bluemoon230989]

We really are a miserable lot...

Fuck it, let's introduce means-testing for the whole ground!

 

[jrb]

This shit escalated quickly, didn't it?

It seems all the lunatics escaped from the asylum at the same time. City announce a stadium expansion to c61500 with some cheap tickets available for £299 and on come the moaners. Its beyond me.

TBH I don't think the majority or minority are moaning Mark. I'm certainly not. I'm very grateful to Sheikh Mansour for what he's done for his and our club.

I'm 100% sure everyone thinks the proposal is wonderful, great, brilliant, etc. I'm certainly in that boat as well.

But it's fair to say people have concerns and want to ask questions. It's only natural. It's part and parcel of Human behaviour.

I've recently been asking questions about where the majority of the £299 tickets will go? From a personal point of view I'd like to see the go to City fans who currently don't have a season ticket and want one, rather than City fans who have a season ticket and want to relocate just to save money. And yes, there's nothing wrong with that either. But given the choice, I would put the season ticketless fans first. That's just my opinion. I don't think there's anything wrong with that? Perhaps some on here will disagree with me?

Putting that aside, As I've already stated, the proposal/plans/stadium looks amazing. And I'm sure once the season ticket sales process starts, the vast majority of current and new season ticket holders will be happy with the outcome.

Obviously there will always be the odd moaning b******! ;-)

-- Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:49 am --

Sorry Skash I meant the cost of the proposed £299 cards?
I think people are moaning for nothing.

Oh right, I knew you're weren't moaning though. I'm just saying the cost of building the ground extension is none of our business because Sheikh Mansour will be paying the upfront costs and it will eventually be borne by those in the new section. Certainly no negatives for us as fans from that perspective. In fact, I can't really see any at all.

Indeed.

As we all know this is a long term project for the Sheikh.

Once the training academy is built, the stadium is expanded, and the leisure destination and Etihad Campus are built around the stadium, he and his Son will make their investment back and more. :-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

I tink I recall that someone on here mentioned that ultimately the east and west stands might be converted in a similar way giving us a capacity approaching 80k.. Obviously something for the future but hey, think big!!

Liking that. 4th tier. It will be like the Nou Camp

or the Blue Camp.

 

[Why Always Ste]

How Ironic.... about 20 posts of people moaning about the moaners.

I welcome expanding the stadium, it makes perfect business sense for this business sorry I meant "our" club.
However as a Customer I've seen my SC rise (109) from £500 to £740 which resulted in me relocating to 111 this season (aswell as having Showsec down my neck)
And although my SC this season at £580 is reasonable, I can only see this increasing.

The £299 SC just seems like a clever PR exercise when I started to do the Math and look at numbers (guestimate) of how Many potentially will be at this price.

I am not moaning, I just feel as a business it makes perfect sense to have fans like myself away from the stadium whilst Tourists fly into Manchester with Etihad and stay overnight at the Malmaison (or new hotel built on the Campus) whilst spending their cash in the clubstore and at Citysquare.

The best seats for the best customers.
Something I have to accept and move on as I'm not prepared to sit in a stadium paying for the privilege sat amongst Tourists types with Middle-class families with no Atmosphere.

If you are happy with this then fair enough. Enjoy your time there.
I just wanted an area for Singers to improve atmosphere and keep a more traditional football environment.

It seems the club are chasing the £££ more but they are just doing their job as a business.

 

[penalty spot]

One of the great things about standing supporters was the fact that you could just move away if you stood next to some moaning git. Now however, you just have to endure them and there seems to be plenty about judging from the comments on here.

 

[squirtyflower]

One of the great things about standing supporters was the fact that you could just move away if you stood next to some moaning git. Now however, you just have to endure them and there seems to be plenty about judging from the comments on here.

bit like being on Bluemoon

 

[Bluemoon230989]

Wrongly or rightly I thought the exercise/plan was to attract missing City fans back, and then to fill the stadium.(the ultimate investment/business plan)

I didn't think it was to move current season ticket holders to cheaper seats *first*.

Even if you restricted current season ticket holders to second in the queue, they will still renew their season tickets.

Restrict new and old City fans who want to come back to second in the queue, and they may not come back.

Hence get the new and old fans back in first, see what's left over, and then offer it to existing season ticket holders.

From a personal point of view I won't move. I'm happy where I am, and I'm happy to pay what I pay.

Very short sighted of you. I'm sure there are loads of existing season ticket holders who would like to but the cheaper seats in the new stand. You are suggesting they should be penalised in favour of fans who do not currently attend? It's not good business practice if you are trying to encourage customer (supporter) loyalty to offer a better deal to a new customer than to an existing and loyal one.

The idea that existing SC holders can put down deposits for themselves, and their mates who may want to return is a fantastic idea as it doesn't penalise existing SC holders, while still encouraging new / returning fans the chance to get an affordable ticket.

Also you have to bear in mind, it's unlikely a returning fan who has been priced out up to now will want to sit on his own! It's very likely he (or she) has mates that are already SC holders. Giving them the chance to get cheap seats together in the South Stand is surely going to act as a further incentive to come back.

I'm sure City have also taken in to account which seats would be easier to sell to the occasional fan. I would guess the type of non hardcore than that can only make a few games a season would much rather buy the occasional ticket in the Colin Bell stand than the South Stand.

Hundreds of fans on here have also expressed their admiration for The Wall at Dortmund and the great atmosphere created by a huge stand behind the goal of hardcore fans. By giving existing SC the chance to buy the cheaper £299 tickets, it goes some way to ensuring the fans in the South Stand remain a passionate hard core who want to sing and create atmosphere, as opposed to the occasional day tripper / new fan who has only recently taken an interest in the club.

Not at all.

I'm not taking sides.

To me it's not about us and them. It's about getting missing City fans back.(into the ground) And by getting them back via the incentive of a cheap season ticket.

As it stands they don't have a season ticket unlike me and you.(?) In a nutshell they can't get one. So they either have to buy a match ticket or miss out.

Yes we pay for the privilege, but at least we get to watch the matches. They can't or can't afford too.(in some cases)

All I'm saying is give new and old fans the chance to buy the cheaper season tickets first. If they sell out or not, existing season ticket holders will still renew their season tickets. They won't bother, they'll just do it.

As long as I've been on here the general consensus is that City need to get missing City fans back, via an expanded stadium, and via cheaper tickets. Now it's happening, why are the club moving the goal posts by offering the cheap season tickets to current season ticket holders first? How is that going to attract those missing fans back? Will they want to buy the more expensive and vacated seats/season tickets? I don't think so.

"Hi, I'd like to buy a £299 season ticket."

"Sorry, the majority have been sold to existing season ticket holders relocating."

"The rest have now sold out."

"OK, what's left?"

"The seats that have been vacated or more expensive seats."

"No thanks."

"Bye!"

Or alternatively:

"Hi, I've been a ST holder for 40 years and have made financial sacrifices to support the club I love and grew up with."

"How can we help you?"

"Times are tough, I'm interested in relocating to one of the cheaper seats you've been advertising"

"Sorry, we're keeping those for people who've not been to a match for 10 years"

"Oh. So what can I do?"

"Carry on paying up or sod off"

Extreme perhaps, but I can see both sides of the argument. We'll have to wait and see won't we? Whatever happens, there'll be winners and losers. But that's life innit?

 

[CatMan]

How Ironic.... about 20 posts of people moaning about the moaners.

I welcome expanding the stadium, it makes perfect business sense for this business sorry I meant "our" club.
However as a Customer I've seen my SC rise (109) from £500 to £740 which resulted in me relocating to 111 this season (aswell as having Showsec down my neck)
And although my SC this season at £580 is reasonable, I can only see this increasing.

The £299 SC just seems like a clever PR exercise when I started to do the Math and look at numbers (guestimate) of how Many potentially will be at this price.

I am not moaning, I just feel as a business it makes perfect sense to have fans like myself away from the stadium whilst Tourists fly into Manchester with Etihad and stay overnight at the Malmaison (or new hotel built on the Campus) whilst spending their cash in the clubstore and at Citysquare.

The best seats for the best customers.
Something I have to accept and move on as I'm not prepared to sit in a stadium paying for the privilege sat amongst Tourists types with Middle-class families with no Atmosphere.

If you are happy with this then fair enough. Enjoy your time there.
I just wanted an area for Singers to improve atmosphere and keep a more traditional football environment.

It seems the club are chasing the £££ more but they are just doing their job as a business.

I think you are spot on.

For all the hype about 'opportunities like this only happen once in a bluemoon', I fear our club may have missed the opportunity of a lifetime!

 

[fathellensbellend]

I cannot imagine there are many fans who would welcome any more price increases, we have had a good few recently, so the natural way for the club to increase turnover is to build the stadium up. Another 13000 seats, with additional corporate, plus all the money they will spend can only help ease the strain.

A long term view is required, we have no history of getting regular 60000 crowds, but then we have mainly been poor, a sensible pricing policy and a great team will only help the club to grow, but raise prices much more, then the seats will be pointless, see munich ticket sales for proof.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

How Ironic.... about 20 posts of people moaning about the moaners.

I welcome expanding the stadium, it makes perfect business sense for this business sorry I meant "our" club.
However as a Customer I've seen my SC rise (109) from £500 to £740 which resulted in me relocating to 111 this season (aswell as having Showsec down my neck)
And although my SC this season at £580 is reasonable, I can only see this increasing.

The £299 SC just seems like a clever PR exercise when I started to do the Math and look at numbers (guestimate) of how Many potentially will be at this price.

I am not moaning, I just feel as a business it makes perfect sense to have fans like myself away from the stadium whilst Tourists fly into Manchester with Etihad and stay overnight at the Malmaison (or new hotel built on the Campus) whilst spending their cash in the clubstore and at Citysquare.

The best seats for the best customers.
Something I have to accept and move on as I'm not prepared to sit in a stadium paying for the privilege sat amongst Tourists types with Middle-class families with no Atmosphere.

If you are happy with this then fair enough. Enjoy your time there.
I just wanted an area for Singers to improve atmosphere and keep a more traditional football environment.

It seems the club are chasing the £££ more but they are just doing their job as a business.

I wondered how long it would be before the 'M' word was used.

 

[Bluemoon230989]

Re: Stadium Expansion excitement!

I received one of those 16.10 e-mails too. Can't recall what answers I gave re the survey but I assume there'll be a follow-up e-mail with details.[/qu


Apologies if it's been answered elsewhere, but where in the ground are the seats for those who've received the 16.10 e-mails?

That'd be interesting to know?

Well my email came to the email address associated with my Blue Membership NOT the one associated with my Season Ticket - if that makes sense - even though my Season Ticket is right in the 'to be upgraded to hospitality' zone...

Yeah, thanks Steve, so it's Blue Members, not ST holders that have received them.

Sorry if I'm a bit dense.

 

[Why Always Ste]

I received one to my SC email address

 

[Eccles Blue]

I received one to my SC email address

Mine was to my season card address.

I know that a few people are complaining/moaning whatever but we cannot complain that the club are just sitting back and resting on their laurels. They are expanding the stadium, they are trying to look after existing fans whilst encouraging new ones. Manchester City is the name of our team but, at the end of the day, they are also a company who need to make money, like any company, and to do that they need to expand.

So to expand means they have to encourage new business whilst keeping the core of our club. To keep the core they have sent out surveys, they have consulted with fans, they have done everything they can. There is no way every single solitary 70,000 and more fans can have everything they have asked for in the surveys. For example, I love where I sit on the front row of the CB L1 but I would also like a padded seat (I'm getting older remember!!) they are not going to put a padded seat where the rain can destroy it so I have to either move or accept that. I accept that because I am only one person and I do not expect the club to run just for my convenience. Plus rain is part of a football match experience to me. :-)

The club are trying to encourage new people, let's face it many of you have said in umpteen threads that we have a prepondarance of older supporters and by the very nature of age we will either get too old to attend the matches or, the ultimate, we will die off. So it's time for the youngsters to be encouraged. And families as well. When I was a kid my Dad would no more have thought of taking me to a football match than flying to the moon. I was a girl after all and the fact that I was a better footballer than any of my brothers didn't enter into it. Today we encourage families and that is great.

So please, give the Club Management credit for trying and get behind them. :-)

As always, JMHO.

 

[Fuzzy Logic]

This shit escalated quickly, didn't it?

It seems all the lunatics escaped from the asylum at the same time. City announce a stadium expansion to c61500 with some cheap tickets available for £299 and on come the moaners. Its beyond me.

For those of us that have given up due to the rising costs the thought of seasoncards at a reasonable £299 sounds great to get us back.

However it now looks like only about 75% of the new 3rd tier seats will be £299 and it's likely that the majority will be taken by existing seasoncard holders relocating due to the high prices in other areas of the ground. Asking for £100 to be on the waiting list is a piss take, so they can stick it