Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[blueparrot]

Who do the club think is willing to pay £1150 and over for a season ticket?

The demand isn't there.

The South Stand will be extended, and will just end up being filled by people who were priced out of Level 2.

There will be swathes of empty seats in the new 'mini corporate' areas.

It'll be worse than when the North Stand was converted to be wholly a family stand. The demand wasn't there, loads of seats went unsold in the first season, until they eventually reclaimed a block of each corner of the North Stand and began calling them East and West blocks respectively.

Even now the family stand still has more empty seats than anywhere else in the stadium.

This move is a disaster by the club. Really quite outrageous in fact, the usual suspects will still do their best to justify it however.

I'd appreciate it if any responses would refrain from the previous personal attacks too.

Please try and spare me the self sustaining nonsense too. There are a million and one ways to work towards that, bleeding the fans who propped up this club in its darkest days shouldn't be one of them.

Another pertinent point, Sheikh Mansour will never see a return on his investment into the club. He knows this, we all know it. So what are the motivations behind this?

IMO, this is corporate greed, and nothing more - the type of which we used to mock United for. The type of which has seen thousands of Chelsea fans priced out of attending games at Stamford Bridge and has seen their match day crowds lose all resemblance to the Chelsea of old. It's the corporate greed which limits us to an allocation of 24 thousand tickets in a stadium which holds 90 thousand, whenever we make it to an FA Cup final.

Lets not gloss over this, pretend it's something it isn't.

German clubs have shown that this isn't necessary to be a successful club. Bayern won the treble last year, their revenue puts them in the top 5 of all the world's clubs. Their season tickets are cheaper than most Championship clubs.

It's time to face facts, in the UK, match going fans are cash cows. And until we get vocal about this issue, the worse it will continue to get.

Do you think the club have done this on a whim, they have spent a lot of money on deciding whether it's viable to spend a hell of of a lot more money on expanding the stadium and developing the area. You may not like it but the research will have shown the demand is there.

 

[oakiecokie]

Who do the club think is willing to pay £1150 and over for a season ticket?

The demand isn't there.

The South Stand will be extended, and will just end up being filled by people who were priced out of Level 2.

There will be swathes of empty seats in the new 'mini corporate' areas.

It'll be worse than when the North Stand was converted to be wholly a family stand. The demand wasn't there, loads of seats went unsold in the first season, until they eventually reclaimed a block of each corner of the North Stand and began calling them East and West blocks respectively.

Even now the family stand still has more empty seats than anywhere else in the stadium.

This move is a disaster by the club. Really quite outrageous in fact, the usual suspects will still do their best to justify it however.

I'd appreciate it if any responses would refrain from the previous personal attacks too.

Please try and spare me the self sustaining nonsense too. There are a million and one ways to work towards that, bleeding the fans who propped up this club in its darkest days shouldn't be one of them.

Another pertinent point, Sheikh Mansour will never see a return on his investment into the club. He knows this, we all know it. So what are the motivations behind this?

IMO, this is corporate greed, and nothing more - the type of which we used to mock United for. The type of which has seen thousands of Chelsea fans priced out of attending games at Stamford Bridge and has seen their match day crowds lose all resemblance to the Chelsea of old. It's the corporate greed which limits us to an allocation of 24 thousand tickets in a stadium which holds 90 thousand, whenever we make it to an FA Cup final.

Lets not gloss over this, pretend it's something it isn't.

German clubs have shown that this isn't necessary to be a successful club. Bayern won the treble last year, their revenue puts them in the top 5 of all the world's clubs. Their season tickets are cheaper than most Championship clubs.

It's time to face facts, in the UK, match going fans are cash cows. And until we get vocal about this issue, the worse it will continue to get.

And you know that as being factual do you ???
As for Sheikh Mansour not getting the value of "his Club" back,why do you think he bought us in the first place ?

 

[CatMan]

There is little point in using pictures of a training ground where millionaire footballers will train and most of us will never witness, nor a picture of a redeveloped stadium that some will no longer be able to afford to enter to appease those who are about to suffer that loss.


A bit like saying 'let's have a look at what you could have won' to somebody who couldn't afford to continue paying into a Jackpot winning Lottery Syndicate.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

There are over 13k seats in the new tiers priced at £299 to £449 and £450 to £599

In truth City are adopting a two-prong approach of expanding the Corporate Seats and expanding seating for the traditional fan. As long as there's cheap seating available for the mass of fans, I don't see a big problem.

Whether they can find a market for the Corporate and Wealthy supporter in Manchester we'll have to see.

Who gets first choice of these seats? I haven't been given an option to register for seats in this new stand. Maybe that will come but so far nothing.

As for finding takers for the seats it depends on success.... We therefore have to be successful or the newcomers may well move on to the next success and the loyal ones who have been moved/priced out etc may just think "do you know what.... fuck it I've got used to not going"

I was surrounded by dickheads taking pictures with their half/half scarves against Bayern. Every regular near me didn't go because they simply couldn't afford it. I will be amazed if more than 20% of ST in those areas stay so that's a lot of corporate seats to fill.

And that's the gamble the club has now taken; that they can fill the stadium with corporates and day trippers at seriously expensive prices. The only way to do this is to rack up a serious trophy count each season over a sustained period of years. If the club / team fail to do this then they will leave themselves between a rock and hard place.
As we all know going to the match is extremely habit forming - however so is not going and without trophies on a regular basis the corporates and day trippers will be nowhere to be seen.

At least confirmed by another poster that first crack at the new seats will be given to level 2 movers.....

I think first 10-15 rows of that stand will be taken up by them then.....

 

[Marvin]

There is little point in using pictures of a training ground where millionaire footballers will train and most of us will never witness, nor a picture of a redeveloped stadium that some will no longer be able to afford to enter to appease those who are about to suffer that loss.


A bit like saying 'let's have a look at what you could have won' to somebody who couldn't afford to continue paying into a Jackpot winning Lottery Syndicate.

£299

 

[CatMan]

There is little point in using pictures of a training ground where millionaire footballers will train and most of us will never witness, nor a picture of a redeveloped stadium that some will no longer be able to afford to enter to appease those who are about to suffer that loss.


A bit like saying 'let's have a look at what you could have won' to somebody who couldn't afford to continue paying into a Jackpot winning Lottery Syndicate.

£299

For some yes, for most no.

Year on year increases for all, Oh Yes.

Nice Training Ground mind!

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Who gets first choice of these seats? I haven't been given an option to register for seats in this new stand. Maybe that will come but so far nothing.

As for finding takers for the seats it depends on success.... We therefore have to be successful or the newcomers may well move on to the next success and the loyal ones who have been moved/priced out etc may just think "do you know what.... fuck it I've got used to not going"

I was surrounded by dickheads taking pictures with their half/half scarves against Bayern. Every regular near me didn't go because they simply couldn't afford it. I will be amazed if more than 20% of ST in those areas stay so that's a lot of corporate seats to fill.

And that's the gamble the club has now taken; that they can fill the stadium with corporates and day trippers at seriously expensive prices. The only way to do this is to rack up a serious trophy count each season over a sustained period of years. If the club / team fail to do this then they will leave themselves between a rock and hard place.
As we all know going to the match is extremely habit forming - however so is not going and without trophies on a regular basis the corporates and day trippers will be nowhere to be seen.

At least confirmed by another poster that first crack at the new seats will be given to level 2 movers.....

I think first 10-15 rows of that stand will be taken up by them then.....

If you can get a seat in the first three rows of the new L3 at a far cheaper price than you currently pay (and you have every chance) then the club may have done you a big favour.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Dont worry...if we dont win saturday we can all go back to the pellegrini thread.....

 

[HelloCity]

It's always sad to move seat but it's not the end of the world.

In order to make more money the club are upping the price of the more expensive seats. Doing this will allow the club to charge cheaper prices in other areas and there's nothing stopping the people who find the new price too expensive from moving to the new cheaper areas.

We can't afford to stand still if we want to be one of the worlds great clubs. The downside to anything like this project is that we were always going to have to pay more if we were to watch the best players.

 

[Georgian Maestro]

With regards the £1150+ seats in level 2 I would be very interested to know what the club's research has shown them.
Do they expect the current occupiers to happily pay extra?
Do they expect the current occupiers to begrudgingly pay extra?
Do they expect the vast majority to move? If so they must be very confident that the demand is there somewhere to fill those seats. Do the club expect a backlash that will surely come from those forced into moving?

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

And that's the gamble the club has now taken; that they can fill the stadium with corporates and day trippers at seriously expensive prices. The only way to do this is to rack up a serious trophy count each season over a sustained period of years. If the club / team fail to do this then they will leave themselves between a rock and hard place.
As we all know going to the match is extremely habit forming - however so is not going and without trophies on a regular basis the corporates and day trippers will be nowhere to be seen.

At least confirmed by another poster that first crack at the new seats will be given to level 2 movers.....

I think first 10-15 rows of that stand will be taken up by them then.....

If you can get a seat in the first three rows of the new L3 at a far cheaper price than you currently pay (and you have every chance) then the club may have done you a big favour.

I agree. I will be very happy paying £150 less than I am now for a seat in first 1-10 rows of that stand.

Anyone thinking they will get a £299 seat who isn't already a ST is kidding themselves.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Who do the club think is willing to pay £1150 and over for a season ticket?

The demand isn't there.

The South Stand will be extended, and will just end up being filled by people who were priced out of Level 2.

There will be swathes of empty seats in the new 'mini corporate' areas.

It'll be worse than when the North Stand was converted to be wholly a family stand. The demand wasn't there, loads of seats went unsold in the first season, until they eventually reclaimed a block of each corner of the North Stand and began calling them East and West blocks respectively.

Even now the family stand still has more empty seats than anywhere else in the stadium.

This move is a disaster by the club. Really quite outrageous in fact, the usual suspects will still do their best to justify it however.

I'd appreciate it if any responses would refrain from the previous personal attacks too.

Please try and spare me the self sustaining nonsense too. There are a million and one ways to work towards that, bleeding the fans who propped up this club in its darkest days shouldn't be one of them.

Another pertinent point, Sheikh Mansour will never see a return on his investment into the club. He knows this, we all know it. So what are the motivations behind this?

IMO, this is corporate greed, and nothing more - the type of which we used to mock United for. The type of which has seen thousands of Chelsea fans priced out of attending games at Stamford Bridge and has seen their match day crowds lose all resemblance to the Chelsea of old. It's the corporate greed which limits us to an allocation of 24 thousand tickets in a stadium which holds 90 thousand, whenever we make it to an FA Cup final.

Lets not gloss over this, pretend it's something it isn't.

German clubs have shown that this isn't necessary to be a successful club. Bayern won the treble last year, their revenue puts them in the top 5 of all the world's clubs. Their season tickets are cheaper than most Championship clubs.

It's time to face facts, in the UK, match going fans are cash cows. And until we get vocal about this issue, the worse it will continue to get.

Do you think the club have done this on a whim, they have spent a lot of money on deciding whether it's viable to spend a hell of of a lot more money on expanding the stadium and developing the area. You may not like it but the research will have shown the demand is there.

Increasing season tickets by £100 in some areas won't make the club that much money. The Bayern owners said increasing ticket prices could generate an extra million or two, but what's the point when £1-2million is nothing when buying a player. I'd much rather we sold a player we don't need (Garcia) or release a player we still pay (Barry/ Sinclair) and use the saved wages to cover this "extra couple of million" whilst reducing prices.

Sinclair cost us about £6-8m including his wages. 36000 season tickets at an average price of £600 makes the club £21.6m. If we didn't buy that waste of a player, we could have dropped the average season ticket price to £400 and it would have made no difference performance wise. This doesn't factor in amortisation or cheaper tickets for u21s/ over 65s etc but you get the point.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Who do the club think is willing to pay £1150 and over for a season ticket?

The demand isn't there.

The South Stand will be extended, and will just end up being filled by people who were priced out of Level 2.

There will be swathes of empty seats in the new 'mini corporate' areas.

It'll be worse than when the North Stand was converted to be wholly a family stand. The demand wasn't there, loads of seats went unsold in the first season, until they eventually reclaimed a block of each corner of the North Stand and began calling them East and West blocks respectively.

Even now the family stand still has more empty seats than anywhere else in the stadium.

This move is a disaster by the club. Really quite outrageous in fact, the usual suspects will still do their best to justify it however.

I'd appreciate it if any responses would refrain from the previous personal attacks too.

Please try and spare me the self sustaining nonsense too. There are a million and one ways to work towards that, bleeding the fans who propped up this club in its darkest days shouldn't be one of them.

Another pertinent point, Sheikh Mansour will never see a return on his investment into the club. He knows this, we all know it. So what are the motivations behind this?

IMO, this is corporate greed, and nothing more - the type of which we used to mock United for. The type of which has seen thousands of Chelsea fans priced out of attending games at Stamford Bridge and has seen their match day crowds lose all resemblance to the Chelsea of old. It's the corporate greed which limits us to an allocation of 24 thousand tickets in a stadium which holds 90 thousand, whenever we make it to an FA Cup final.

Lets not gloss over this, pretend it's something it isn't.

German clubs have shown that this isn't necessary to be a successful club. Bayern won the treble last year, their revenue puts them in the top 5 of all the world's clubs. Their season tickets are cheaper than most Championship clubs.

It's time to face facts, in the UK, match going fans are cash cows. And until we get vocal about this issue, the worse it will continue to get.

Do you think the club have done this on a whim, they have spent a lot of money on deciding whether it's viable to spend a hell of of a lot more money on expanding the stadium and developing the area. You may not like it but the research will have shown the demand is there.

Increasing season tickets by £100 in some areas won't make the club that much money. The Bayern owners said increasing ticket prices could generate an extra million or two, but what's the point when £1-2million is nothing when buying a player. I'd much rather we sold a player we don't need (Garcia) or release a player we still pay (Barry/ Sinclair) and use the saved wages to cover this "extra couple of million" whilst reducing prices.

Sinclair cost us about £6-8m including his wages. 36000 season tickets at an average price of £600 makes the club £21.6m. If we didn't buy that waste of a player, we could have dropped the average season ticket price to £400 and it would have made no difference performance wise. This doesn't factor in amortisation or cheaper tickets for u21s/ over 65s etc but you get the point.

Those marketing executives have got to earn their bonuses somehow and sadly this is how they do it......

 

[dancingsilverback]

Who do the club think is willing to pay £1150 and over for a season ticket?

The demand isn't there.

The South Stand will be extended, and will just end up being filled by people who were priced out of Level 2.

There will be swathes of empty seats in the new 'mini corporate' areas.

It'll be worse than when the North Stand was converted to be wholly a family stand. The demand wasn't there, loads of seats went unsold in the first season, until they eventually reclaimed a block of each corner of the North Stand and began calling them East and West blocks respectively.

Even now the family stand still has more empty seats than anywhere else in the stadium.

This move is a disaster by the club. Really quite outrageous in fact, the usual suspects will still do their best to justify it however.

I'd appreciate it if any responses would refrain from the previous personal attacks too.

Please try and spare me the self sustaining nonsense too. There are a million and one ways to work towards that, bleeding the fans who propped up this club in its darkest days shouldn't be one of them.

Another pertinent point, Sheikh Mansour will never see a return on his investment into the club. He knows this, we all know it. So what are the motivations behind this?

IMO, this is corporate greed, and nothing more - the type of which we used to mock United for. The type of which has seen thousands of Chelsea fans priced out of attending games at Stamford Bridge and has seen their match day crowds lose all resemblance to the Chelsea of old. It's the corporate greed which limits us to an allocation of 24 thousand tickets in a stadium which holds 90 thousand, whenever we make it to an FA Cup final.

Lets not gloss over this, pretend it's something it isn't.

German clubs have shown that this isn't necessary to be a successful club. Bayern won the treble last year, their revenue puts them in the top 5 of all the world's clubs. Their season tickets are cheaper than most Championship clubs.

It's time to face facts, in the UK, match going fans are cash cows. And until we get vocal about this issue, the worse it will continue to get.

Do you think the club have done this on a whim, they have spent a lot of money on deciding whether it's viable to spend a hell of of a lot more money on expanding the stadium and developing the area. You may not like it but the research will have shown the demand is there.

Increasing season tickets by £100 in some areas won't make the club that much money. The Bayern owners said increasing ticket prices could generate an extra million or two, but what's the point when £1-2million is nothing when buying a player. I'd much rather we sold a player we don't need (Garcia) or release a player we still pay (Barry/ Sinclair) and use the saved wages to cover this "extra couple of million" whilst reducing prices.

Sinclair cost us about £6-8m including his wages. 36000 season tickets at an average price of £600 makes the club £21.6m. If we didn't buy that waste of a player, we could have dropped the average season ticket price to £400 and it would have made no difference performance wise. This doesn't factor in amortisation or cheaper tickets for u21s/ over 65s etc but you get the point.

This is one of the key points people are failing to recognise when they say ah well its for the good of the club, in the long run it will lead to growth,

In the context of wages, player transfer fees etc the increases they are proposing are a drop in the ocean, anyone with a modicum of commercial sense can see that, yes we have FFP, yes we have an increasing cost base but as Bayern have pointed out for the squeeze it puts on fans its simply not viable.

How can anyone justify a 150% increase in cost in any market let alone in one of the worst recessions in living memory. And its not 100 to 150 it represents an extra 400 as a minimum on top of 750 plus.

Im sorry but for all those saying the club have done their research and they must be confident i think you and they are deluded if you think a) we have thousands of fans prepared to pay 60 a game or b) thousands of corporates waiting in the wings to fill the gaps any mass migration will create

 

[Irwell]

How can anyone justify a 150% increase in cost in any market let alone in one of the worst recessions in living memory. And its not 100 to 150 it represents an extra 400 as a minimum on top of 750 plus.

We aren't in a recession.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Do you think the club have done this on a whim, they have spent a lot of money on deciding whether it's viable to spend a hell of of a lot more money on expanding the stadium and developing the area. You may not like it but the research will have shown the demand is there.

Increasing season tickets by £100 in some areas won't make the club that much money. The Bayern owners said increasing ticket prices could generate an extra million or two, but what's the point when £1-2million is nothing when buying a player. I'd much rather we sold a player we don't need (Garcia) or release a player we still pay (Barry/ Sinclair) and use the saved wages to cover this "extra couple of million" whilst reducing prices.

Sinclair cost us about £6-8m including his wages. 36000 season tickets at an average price of £600 makes the club £21.6m. If we didn't buy that waste of a player, we could have dropped the average season ticket price to £400 and it would have made no difference performance wise. This doesn't factor in amortisation or cheaper tickets for u21s/ over 65s etc but you get the point.

This is one of the key points people are failing to recognise when they say ah well its for the good of the club, in the long run it will lead to growth,

In the context of wages, player transfer fees etc the increases they are proposing are a drop in the ocean, anyone with a modicum of commercial sense can see that, yes we have FFP, yes we have an increasing cost base but as Bayern have pointed out for the squeeze it puts on fans its simply not viable.

How can anyone justify a 150% increase in cost in any market let alone in one of the worst recessions in living memory. And its not 100 to 150 it represents an extra 400 as a minimum on top of 750 plus.

Im sorry but for all those saying the club have done their research and they must be confident i think you and they are deluded if you think a) we have thousands of fans prepared to pay 60 a game or b) thousands of corporates waiting in the wings to fill the gaps any mass migration will create

B

 

[stonerblue]

There is little point in using pictures of a training ground where millionaire footballers will train and most of us will never witness, nor a picture of a redeveloped stadium that some will no longer be able to afford to enter to appease those who are about to suffer that loss.


A bit like saying 'let's have a look at what you could have won' to somebody who couldn't afford to continue paying into a Jackpot winning Lottery Syndicate.

£299

i'm having some of that hopefu;;y

 

[lancs blue]

Looking at it from a different perspective I wonder if the club have gone down this route with CB2 and EL2 because the existing corporate seats don't sell well. Those current areas are for the people who buy the corporate package in a couple of the suites which usually retail at around £150 per person upwards. Perhaps the club has identified a market for a "club class" supporter who will pay £1150 a season for a padded seat and an upmarket bar as opposed to forking out for the full package.

It's a shame for the existing S/T holders who don't want to move but in some respects it's not that different to what happened at Maine Rd when half the North stand S/T holders had to relocate to accommodate away fans after the new Platt Lane stand was built - Swales didn't do much to soften the blow other than offering us first dibs on seats in the bloody awful Umbro stand, at least the alternative seats should be of a better quality this time around. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out but I don't think the chances of them selling those seats should be written off so quickly, the owners have shown themselves to be a shrewd bunch so far.

 

[JGL07]

At least confirmed by another poster that first crack at the new seats will be given to level 2 movers.....

I think first 10-15 rows of that stand will be taken up by them then.....

If you can get a seat in the first three rows of the new L3 at a far cheaper price than you currently pay (and you have every chance) then the club may have done you a big favour.

I agree. I will be very happy paying £150 less than I am now for a seat in first 1-10 rows of that stand.

Anyone thinking they will get a £299 seat who isn't already a ST is kidding themselves.

City have opened a waiting list for Blue Members and Season Ticket holders. The extra £299 tickets will be allocated to those who register and pay the deposit in order of registration.

It makes far more sense for the £299 tickets to go to those who are not existing season ticket holders. You are the one who is kidding himself.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

If you can get a seat in the first three rows of the new L3 at a far cheaper price than you currently pay (and you have every chance) then the club may have done you a big favour.

I agree. I will be very happy paying £150 less than I am now for a seat in first 1-10 rows of that stand.

Anyone thinking they will get a £299 seat who isn't already a ST is kidding themselves.

City have opened a waiting list for Blue Members and Season Ticket holders. The extra £299 tickets will be allocated to those who register and pay the deposit in order of registration.

It makes far more sense for the £299 tickets to go to those who are not existing season ticket holders. You are the one who is kidding himself.

Read the booklet ( if you have been sent one) and small print at the back and see what you think. It's reads clear enough to me....

Anyone not wanting to stay in CB and ES level 2 will get first choice of relocated seats including in any new stand. Followed by existing ST holders who want to relocate.