Starting 11 next season

CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.
 
Hart

Zabaleta/Richards Kompany Nastasic clichy

Yaya Fernandinho/Rodwell

Navas/Milner Aguero/Nasri Sliva/Jovetic

Negredo/Dzeko

For the majority of Prem games.
 
4-3-3
-----------hart------------
zaba vinny nasty clichy
--------yaya ferna------
-----------silva-----------
navas------------jovetic
----------aguero---------

or 4-2-3-1

-----------hart------------
zaba vinny nasty clichy
-------yaya ferna--------
silva---aguero---jovetic
---------negredo---------

hard to pick a first 11 as so many top players that cant be fitted it, I can see nasri having a class season next year if hes played in a 4-3-3 but silva is obviously better so cant put him above him. when you try to decide the first 11 you realise how good our squad actually is.

-------------pants---------------
micah Garcia lescott kolarov
--------rodwell--barry---------
------nasri----------milner----
-------guidetti---dzeko-------

theres an 11 made without any players in the first teams. only the defence that looks weak there and if we sell and replace kolarov and get another cb then well be all sorted.
 
----------Hart

Zabaleta Kompany Nastasic clichy

------Yaya---Fernandinho (Barry, Rodwell)

Nasri/Milner-----Sliva/Jovetic

-----Aguero--Jovetic /(Dzeko... Negredo)


I see Navas pace more useful if he's used as an impact player..
 
bluethunder said:
CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.

Boom!
 
bluethunder said:
CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.
Great find!
 
bluethunder said:
CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.

Excuse me, you can't post facts on here.
 
Hart

Zabaleta Kompany Nastasic Clichy

Yaya Fernandinho

Silva
Navas Jovetic

Aguero

or a more defensive option with Rodwell, Fernandinho, Yaya trio with Jovetic, Aguero, Silva up top.

or for a more direct approach with Yaya, Fernandinho, Silva then Aguero, Negredo, Navas up top.
------------------------------
OR a 4-2-3-1

Hart

Zabaleta Kompany Nastasic Clichy

Yaya Fernandinho

Navas Aguero Silva/Jovetic

Negredo
 
bluethunder said:
CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.

And lower than Samba Diakate (66.0%) and Mohamed Diame (57.1%). And that's just in the first table which only includes the most frequent dribblers. The next table (for anyone who actually read the entire article) shows the top 20 dribblers overall, with Cheik Tiote top on 84.2% and Jan Vertonghen in 20th place with a 60.0% success rate.

The article doesn't really go into detail about what constitutes a successful dribble (so I won't speculate) but whatever it is, Aguero does it an average of 2.5 times per game. He also loses the ball twice every game due to dribbling.

It's certainly an interesting article although like almost every similar article I've read, it's a little frustrating that they don't rigorously define the main thing they're measuring; dribbling (science background - sorry). However, if we assume that most of us would define a successful dribble in a similar enough way, it does indeed show that amongst the most frequent dribblers in the league, Aguero is one of the best. I was also surprised that his success rate was better than Suarez, Hazard, and Bale (although the stats are only for the first half of the season and I think Bale was much better in the second half, so his final figures might have improved). I guess that's because I saw almost every City game last season, so I saw all Aguero's successes and failures and around a 50% success rate seems about right (hence my assertion that he's not a brilliant dribbler - if you think 50% is brilliant, then we really have no argument). On the other hand, I only saw highlights of the others, and of course the highlights only showed their successes, so I got a false impression of how good they were.

However, bluethunder's post failed to mention the "amongst the most frequent dribblers" bit and further down the article (perhaps s/he was so delighted with the first table that s/he didn't bother to look any further) the overall best dribblers table showed that seven players had a 75.0% or higher success rate, one of them being our very own Yaya Toure. I never really thought of him as a brilliant dribbler, which again makes me wonder how they defined a successful dribble.

To finish, here's a fun fact; Aguero loses the ball dribbling 40% more often than Dzeko does (data taken from the website listed above - I can explain the numbers if you don't believe me. Btw, before this starts a 20 page Dzeko vs Aguero war, I'm not suggesting Dzeko's a better dribbler than Aguero, because he certainly isn't, I'm just showing how real facts can be twisted if you don't show the full context)<br /><br />-- Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:57 pm --<br /><br />
Clowny said:
bluethunder said:
CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.

Boom!
Did your toaster just explode?
 
Clowny said:
bluethunder said:
CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.

Boom!

CalBlue I think he has you here<br /><br />-- Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:28 am --<br /><br />
CaliforniaBlue said:
bluethunder said:
CaliforniaBlue said:
I certainly respect the views of the two posters above, but to prove the point that someone is brilliant at something requires more than just a few examples. If anyone has good data on Aguero's dribbling success rate for the season, that would be much more helpful. After all, just because you know three people who smoked all their lives and lived till they're 90 doesn't mean smoking's good for you, only large data sets can show you that.

according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.

And lower than Samba Diakate (66.0%) and Mohamed Diame (57.1%). And that's just in the first table which only includes the most frequent dribblers. The next table (for anyone who actually read the entire article) shows the top 20 dribblers overall, with Cheik Tiote top on 84.2% and Jan Vertonghen in 20th place with a 60.0% success rate.

The article doesn't really go into detail about what constitutes a successful dribble (so I won't speculate) but whatever it is, Aguero does it an average of 2.5 times per game. He also loses the ball twice every game due to dribbling.

It's certainly an interesting article although like almost every similar article I've read, it's a little frustrating that they don't rigorously define the main thing they're measuring; dribbling (science background - sorry). However, if we assume that most of us would define a successful dribble in a similar enough way, it does indeed show that amongst the most frequent dribblers in the league, Aguero is one of the best. I was also surprised that his success rate was better than Suarez, Hazard, and Bale (although the stats are only for the first half of the season and I think Bale was much better in the second half, so his final figures might have improved). I guess that's because I saw almost every City game last season, so I saw all Aguero's successes and failures and around a 50% success rate seems about right (hence my assertion that he's not a brilliant dribbler - if you think 50% is brilliant, then we really have no argument). On the other hand, I only saw highlights of the others, and of course the highlights only showed their successes, so I got a false impression of how good they were.

However, bluethunder's post failed to mention the "amongst the most frequent dribblers" bit and further down the article (perhaps s/he was so delighted with the first table that s/he didn't bother to look any further) the overall best dribblers table showed that seven players had a 75.0% or higher success rate, one of them being our very own Yaya Toure. I never really thought of him as a brilliant dribbler, which again makes me wonder how they defined a successful dribble.

To finish, here's a fun fact; Aguero loses the ball dribbling 40% more often than Dzeko does (data taken from the website listed above - I can explain the numbers if you don't believe me. Btw, before this starts a 20 page Dzeko vs Aguero war, I'm not suggesting Dzeko's a better dribbler than Aguero, because he certainly isn't, I'm just showing how real facts can be twisted if you don't show the full context)

-- Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:57 pm --

Clowny said:
bluethunder said:
according to this website ( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling-wizardry-2012-13-stats-analysis.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.eplindex.com/25211/dribbling ... lysis.html</a> ) , between the start of last season until january 2013, sergio aguero made 4.5 dribbles per 90 minute game with a success rate of 54.8% (above average). his success rate is higher than gareth bale, eden hazard, luis suarez and raheem sterling.

Boom!
Did your toaster just explode?

but a good comeback with the top part
 

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