Sterling racially abused by Chelsea fan?

[7evens]

I hate racism. I also hate a society which does not allow people to express their views even if it is hateful. I think the ideal way of us dealing with racism and views like it are for people to challenge this ideology instead of running to the Police and papers every time it happens. Ultimately it is the authorities who send people to war and much of modern racism in Britain is now centred on Islamophobia which was generated by the wars in the Middle East. We are getting into a very authoritarian society where everyone wants to censor everything. That is no way to gain freedom. What happens is that gradually the centre ground shifts and alien views of any description are outlawed.

People think that racism has disappeared from football. It hasn't. Just racists keep quiet most of the time. Would I rather they voice their opinion next to me, no? But driving it underground is no answer either.

Great to see Raheem having the confidence to express his views. He will get a lot of support.

You can’t challenge racism on ideological grounds. It’s elusive and it knows the usual tricks. The system we put in place to take care of such behaviour isn’t just incapable of dealing with it either - it both indirectly and directly plays a role in how it thrives.

This idea that you can simply debate racism away by being reasonable and intelligent has been exposed as liberal folly. We tried debating Donald Trump, Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage but they all rose to prominence. Two of them command huge sway in the British media and the other rules the Western world. The system is ill-equipped to deal with such types. The only viable alternative is to starve them of airtime by any means necessary.

 

[Marvin]

I used to like Alf garnet to be honest up the hammers

We all did because the world is more complicated than racists are all bad people. Trautmann was a young Nazi. He grew up and was educated by experience.

 

[bugsyblue]

Good on Raheem to call out the newspapers! He’s spot on too.

 

[Indaparkside]

These

We all did because the world is more complicated than racists are all bad people. Trautmann was a young Nazi. He grew up and was educated by experience.

True that pal I hate racism when it’s directed at somebody or someone’s religion no place what so ever on this earth. I also hate hypocrites who say they never laughed at a joke about Asians, the handicapped, Irish etc we can go on forever. It’s like the Munich chant in the 70’s 80’s or 90’s etc either I was death or most of the kippax and north stand sang it. Now all the saints on this forum say I didn’t what bullshit that is. The worlds changed from the days of rising damp on the buses in sickness and in health for the better. There’s good and bad in black people,white people, Asian people etc take people as you find them I always have

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

We all did because the world is more complicated than racists are all bad people. Trautmann was a young Nazi. He grew up and was educated by experience.

Well said, Marvin. Life isn't as simple as four legs good, two legs bad.

 

[The perfect fumble]

As far as I’m concerned it’s impossible to debate racists. You can tell them to shut up, you can ban them from football stadiums, you can arrest them, it still won’t stop them voting for the BNP or hurling racist abuse on national television. Neither will giving them a swift fist to the jaw, but it’ll leave more of a mark and it’ll embarrass them enough to make them think twice about behaving like that again.

I've read agitation propaganda like this all my life, this is so obvious it's a joke, a call to violent action! "A swift fist to the jaw" It's the only thing they understand!! This crap used to be directed at the lumpenproletariat, it's directed at football fans now? Mr 24 posts joined in November?

You're not interested in a debate pal and don't come in here pretending otherwise.

 

[manimanc]

Just read raheems statement and he's bang on for showing the newspapers up for their blinkered and draconian take on things.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Never gotten point 2, no matter how far up the dippers arses they get their tongues it won't make a difference if the fuckers won't read the paper in the first place.

There is no way back for that particular news outlet in that neck of the woods and rightly so........

Annoys me that we still put up with them to be honest

 

[The perfect fumble]

You can’t challenge racism on ideological grounds. It’s elusive and it knows the usual tricks. The system we put in place to take care of such behaviour isn’t just incapable of dealing with it either - it both indirectly and directly plays a role in how it thrives.

This idea that you can simply debate racism away by being reasonable and intelligent has been exposed as liberal folly. We tried debating Donald Trump, Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage but they all rose to prominence. Two of them command huge sway in the British media and the other rules the Western world. The system is ill-equipped to deal with such types. The only viable alternative is to starve them of airtime by any means necessary.

"A swift fist to the jaw"

"It’s the only language these idiots speak so we might as well use it against them."

"by any means necessary"

Do they still teach you how to structure this stuff?

What group are you a member of?

 

[aguero93:20]

There is no way back for that particular news outlet in that neck of the woods and rightly so........

Annoys me that we still put up with them to be honest

If it wasn't for tribalism between fanbases they would have disappeared 25+ years ago.