I disagree. I don't agree with no platform. You legitimise the state by doing so. If you can't win an argument your argument is baseless. I am not interested in persuading Trump, Robinson etc but the audience they engage with. If you want to censor everything you will find that there comes a time when it is radical organisations that get shut down indeed some have been
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Sterling racially abused by Chelsea fan?
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I think the club and the PFA should be ashamed of themselves over this as well. Sterling's had to deal with this on his own from day one. It was clear to us during the 15-16 season that there was an insidious media campaign working against him, but you could perhaps give the benefit of the doubt to outsiders who saw it as nothing more than the Liverpool machine in motion. The point where it should have become clear to City, the PFA, and the rest of the well-meaning public that the campaign had vicious racist undertones was after Euro 2016 when Sterling became the one and only scapegoat for months on end. City should have stepped in when he was front page news for buying his mum a house and banned the journalist who wrote the story, and the PFA should have publicly supported their player. It's now reached the point where we can't make an example out of one or two dickheads because it's been allowed to grow and to fester and become a beast that's too big to handle. This is no longer a case of one or two intern journalists at shit newspapers being asked to publish fluff stories about him shopping in Poundland, it's now a national problem that the entire British media is guilty of worsening. And in the middle of it all is a 24-year-old lad who's now been on the end of a coordinated racist media campaign, suffered two racist hate crimes in eighteen months, and has had to deal with all of it on his own. The entire thing is hugely upsetting and everybody who could have stopped it and didn't needs to be deeply, deeply ashamed of themselves.
"A swift fist to the jaw"
"It’s the only language these idiots speak so we might as well use it against them."
"by any means necessary"
Do they still teach you how to structure this stuff?
What group are you a member of?
Antifa
I'm With Stupid
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So what would your solution be for racist abuse in a football stadium? Because let's be honest, it's hardly the forum for challenging such views logically. The problem with arguing that people should be free to say whatever they want (which I'd agree with) is it's often accompanied by an argument that they should also face no social consequences as a result. Let's be honest, if any of us was in a restaurant and racially abused someone, we wouldn't then expect to be able to continue going to that restaurant and have everyone act like nothing happened, and I don't see why a football stadium should be any different. I don't have any issue with racists spilling their guts in public, but I also don't have any problem with them becoming social outcasts as a result when everyone finds out their views. As for the police getting involved, what happened was likely a crime, which is why they have to investigate. Again, a ban on shouting racist abuse at people in the street or on a football pitch because of their skin colour does nothing to restrict people from expressing genuinely held beliefs on race that others may find racist or bigoted. Hell, look at almost every newspaper in the country.I hate racism. I also hate a society which does not allow people to express their views even if it is hateful. I think the ideal way of us dealing with racism and views like it are for people to challenge this ideology instead of running to the Police and papers every time it happens. Ultimately it is the authorities who send people to war and much of modern racism in Britain is now centred on Islamophobia which was generated by the wars in the Middle East. We are getting into a very authoritarian society where everyone wants to censor everything. That is no way to gain freedom. What happens is that gradually the centre ground shifts and alien views of any description are outlawed.
People think that racism has disappeared from football. It hasn't. Just racists keep quiet most of the time. Would I rather they voice their opinion next to me, no? But driving it underground is no answer either.
Of course. 95% of people are like this. If lived in the 1700s we'd believe in a flat Earth and the word of God. If we lived in the depression of the 1930s we'd probably hold extreme views, if we were children of the 60s we might have a different view.These
True that pal I hate racism when it’s directed at somebody or someone’s religion no place what so ever on this earth. I also hate hypocrites who say they never laughed at a joke about Asians, the handicapped, Irish etc we can go on forever. It’s like the Munich chant in the 70’s 80’s or 90’s etc either I was death or most of the kippax and north stand sang it. Now all the saints on this forum say I didn’t what bullshit that is. The worlds changed from the days of rising damp on the buses in sickness and in health for the better. There’s good and bad in black people,white people, Asian people etc take people as you find them I always have
gordondaviesmoustache
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On his own?I think the club and the PFA should be ashamed of themselves over this as well. Sterling's had to deal with this on his own from day one. It was clear to us during the 15-16 season that there was an insidious media campaign working against him, but you could perhaps give the benefit of the doubt to outsiders who saw it as nothing more than the Liverpool machine in motion. The point where it should have become clear to City, the PFA, and the rest of the well-meaning public that the campaign had vicious racist undertones was after Euro 2016 when Sterling became the one and only scapegoat for months on end. City should have stepped in when he was front page news for buying his mum a house and banned the journalist who wrote the story, and the PFA should have publicly supported their player. It's now reached the point where we can't make an example out of one or two dickheads because it's been allowed to grow and to fester and become a beast that's too big to handle. This is no longer a case of one or two intern journalists at shit newspapers being asked to publish fluff stories about him shopping in Poundland, it's now a national problem that the entire British media is guilty of worsening. And in the middle of it all is a 24-year-old lad who's now been on the end of a coordinated racist media campaign, suffered two racist hate crimes in eighteen months, and has had to deal with all of it on his own. The entire thing is hugely upsetting and everybody who could have stopped it and didn't needs to be deeply, deeply ashamed of themselves.
Have the club or the PFA - or any of our other players - ever made official statements backing Sterling over this? Sanctions for journalists? Investigations into editorial staff at certain newspapers?On his own?
Ifwecouldjust.......
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You can’t challenge racism on ideological grounds. It’s elusive and it knows the usual tricks. The system we put in place to take care of such behaviour isn’t just incapable of dealing with it either - it both indirectly and directly plays a role in how it thrives.
This idea that you can simply debate racism away by being reasonable and intelligent has been exposed as liberal folly. We tried debating Donald Trump, Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage but they all rose to prominence. Two of them command huge sway in the British media and the other rules the Western world. The system is ill-equipped to deal with such types. The only viable alternative is to starve them of airtime by any means necessary.
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This ..... the only thing that shouldn't be tolerated is intolerance
Considering the subject at hand is one of our players suffering racist abuse, I think that's fair enough?This thread has descended into weird, philosophical discussions about racism.