Tactical genius

Soulboy said:
Anyone else think that Mancini pulled off a tactically genius bit of innovation at Burnley by dropping Tevez into a more midfield role, playing Adebayor as an out and out target man, and letting Carlos run at them from deep?

The Clarets couldn't cope with it and we might very well have scored double figures if it hadn't have pissed down!

Oh, and Vieira... imperious, majestic, outstanding.
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That makes me a tactical genius too, as after the embarrassing way in which Wigan's midfield strolled past Viera and De Jong last week even Coco the Clown would've known that if we want to play 442, one of the two forwards would have to play a little deeper to ensure our midfield axis didn't part like the red sea when faced with a couple of European journeymen.

Oh, and Viera. Cannot be judged on the Burnley match anymore than any other of our outfield players could. It was a good day out, and has been an excellent weekend for us results wise, but lets not go stroking our own poles just yet.

The rest of this thread reads like we've time traveled back to April 2009. Boring.
 
BillyShears said:
Soulboy said:
Anyone else think that Mancini pulled off a tactically genius bit of innovation at Burnley by dropping Tevez into a more midfield role, playing Adebayor as an out and out target man, and letting Carlos run at them from deep?

The Clarets couldn't cope with it and we might very well have scored double figures if it hadn't have pissed down!

Oh, and Vieira... imperious, majestic, outstanding.
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That makes me a tactical genius too, as after the embarrassing way in which Wigan's midfield strolled past Viera and De Jong last week even Coco the Clown would've known that if we want to play 442, one of the two forwards would have to play a little deeper to ensure our midfield axis didn't part like the red sea when faced with a couple of European journeymen.

Oh, and Viera. Cannot be judged on the Burnley match anymore than any other of our outfield players could. It was a good day out, and has been an excellent weekend for us results wise, but lets not go stroking our own poles just yet.

The rest of this thread reads like we've time traveled back to April 2009. Boring.
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Why are you not happy or pleased, you must at least be excited?
 
rastus said:
BillyShears said:
That makes me a tactical genius too, as after the embarrassing way in which Wigan's midfield strolled past Viera and De Jong last week even Coco the Clown would've known that if we want to play 442, one of the two forwards would have to play a little deeper to ensure our midfield axis didn't part like the red sea when faced with a couple of European journeymen.

Oh, and Viera. Cannot be judged on the Burnley match anymore than any other of our outfield players could. It was a good day out, and has been an excellent weekend for us results wise, but lets not go stroking our own poles just yet.

The rest of this thread reads like we've time traveled back to April 2009. Boring.
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Why are you not happy or pleased, you must at least be excited?
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Mate, I'm delighted. It was a huge weekend for us in terms of results, and firmly puts us in the driving seat for the race for 4th. It's hard judge anything other than the finishing from Saturday's match because Burnley didn't turn up until an hour into the game. That's not a criticism of us, and you still have to beat what is put in front of you, which we did with consummate ease.

I'll tell you what, if we beat Brum and get a point at least off the rags, then I'll probably be dancing a jig through the streets of Paris because IMO, that will be enough to push us on to 4th. Now that's optimism...;- )
 
Bigga said:
shadygiz said:
not at all bigga mate, this isn't about hughes mate.
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So who would get the best out of the squad, for you, and how could they guarantee it?
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i dont know tbh mate....i wanted van gaal before we signed svennis, not too convinced now though after watching him with some top players at bayern.

Again, i'm not a big mourinho fan...part of me says if we can lets get him as it would be a major coup and a big "fuck off" to all in the prem and the other part of me says he's a cocky arrongant twat that deserves to be brought down a peg, but if we signed him i would adopt the same attitude i have with mancini. i.e prove me wrong.

Agreeably, from day one i have not been convinced with mancini and to a certain extent i agree this has clouded my opinion of him somewhat and for all my opinions on here i still have time for the guy. Immediately after the game yesterday i posted in the match thread about it being a great result.

at the end of the season, i hope we are in 4th spot as this will open the doors to attract a couple of world class midfielders, but i also agree i cant have it both ways and surely mancini will be given his extension if we get 4th<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:45 pm --<br /><br />
Stuart said:
shadygiz said:
lol terwat ;p
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''..AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..''

* does wanking gesture in Shady's direction *

;-)
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EWWWWW!!!!!

*skulks off in direction of toilet to get some bog roll*
 
The Pink Panther said:
Both managers records this season for us....

Hughes - P17. W7. D8. L2. G/F 33. G/A27 = +6. Total points 29

Mancini - P15. W9. D3. L3. G/F 31. G/A13 = +18.Total points 30

I know which camp I'm in
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Sadly this won't make a blind bit of difference to folks like de niro.
 
hgblue said:
Tevez 'in the hole' and Adebayor up front? People have been arguing for that for months.
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BillyShears said:
rastus said:
Why are you not happy or pleased, you must at least be excited?
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Mate, I'm delighted. It was a huge weekend for us in terms of results, and firmly puts us in the driving seat for the race for 4th. It's hard judge anything other than the finishing from Saturday's match because Burnley didn't turn up until an hour into the game. That's not a criticism of us, and you still have to beat what is put in front of you, which we did with consummate ease.

I'll tell you what, if we beat Brum and get a point at least off the rags, then I'll probably be dancing a jig through the streets of Paris because IMO, that will be enough to push us on to 4th. Now that's optimism...;- )
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Nice one Billy, will do the same in the same in the streets of Granada..
 
Shady i have absolutely no problem with you or anyone having an opinion because afterall this is a forum where you post your thoughts but you, de niro and bluemanc just to name a few seem reluctant to give Mancini any credit and it doesn't make any sense. Can we agree that Mancini has come in and done a good job? The first few games weren't easy on the eye but he had to come in and get results and to get results he needed to sort us out defensively because the last 3 games of Hughes' reign we had conceded 3 goals in each of them. Since then we've had spells during games where we've not played well but is that any different to games under Hughes? We have also played some excellent football under Mancini especially in away games at Chelsea (Second half), Sunderland (Second half), Wolves, Fulham and Burnley despite us having an extremely one dimensional centre midfield and us missing Adebayor for most of those games

Mancini's came in and took over a side that had won just 2 of the last 11 leauge games and had no time to assess his squad as he was straight into a run of games so it's fair to say he's done a good job all things considered. Defensively as a unit we have been much improved no matter who the personel in the back four is and we've now got a basis to build on

You make the point about if Mancini was a tactical genius then he'd find a formation and work with it. Well guess what he has done because under him we've been getting on average 2 points per game which is an excellent return and we're now in pole position for 4th whereas when he took over we were 6 points off Villa in 4th with a game in hand

I wasn't the greatest fan of Hughes towards the end of his time here but i come on after the Chelsea game and praised him for getting it spot on, why can't you and certain others give credit where it's due instead of making posts like 'it was only burnley'?
 
Failsworth_Blue said:
Shady i have absolutely no problem with you or anyone having an opinion because afterall this is a forum where you post your thoughts but you, de niro and bluemanc just to name a few seem reluctant to give Mancini any credit and it doesn't make any sense. Can we agree that Mancini has come in and done a good job? The first few games weren't easy on the eye but he had to come in and get results and to get results he needed to sort us out defensively because the last 3 games of Hughes' reign we had conceded 3 goals in each of them. Since then we've had spells during games where we've not played well but is that any different to games under Hughes? We have also played some excellent football under Mancini especially in away games at Chelsea (Second half), Sunderland (Second half), Wolves, Fulham and Burnley despite us having an extremely one dimensional centre midfield and us missing Adebayor for most of those games

Mancini's came in and took over a side that had won just 2 of the last 11 leauge games and had no time to access his squad as he was straight into a run of games so it's fair to say he's done a good job all things considered. Defensively as a unit we have been much improved no matter who the personel in the back four is and we've now got a basis to build on

You make the point about if Mancini was a tactical genius then he'd find a formation and work with it. Well guess what he has done because under him we've been getting on average 2 points per game which is an excellent return and we're now in pole position for 4th whereas when he took over we were 6 points off Villa in 4th with a game in hand

I wasn't the greatest fan of Hughes towards the end of his time here but i come on after the Chelsea game and praised him for getting it spot on, why can't you and certain others give credit where it's due instead of making posts like 'it was only burnley'?
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Well said FB. Well reasoned non-inflammatory,common sense post.
 
Failsworth_Blue said:
Shady i have absolutely no problem with you or anyone having an opinion because afterall this is a forum where you post your thoughts but you, de niro and bluemanc just to name a few seem reluctant to give Mancini any credit and it doesn't make any sense. Can we agree that Mancini has come in and done a good job? The first few games weren't easy on the eye but he had to come in and get results and to get results he needed to sort us out defensively because the last 3 games of Hughes' reign we had conceded 3 goals in each of them. Since then we've had spells during games where we've not played well but is that any different to games under Hughes? We have also played some excellent football under Mancini especially in away games at Chelsea (Second half), Sunderland (Second half), Wolves, Fulham and Burnley despite us having an extremely one dimensional centre midfield and us missing Adebayor for most of those games

Mancini's came in and took over a side that had won just 2 of the last 11 leauge games and had no time to access his squad as he was straight into a run of games so it's fair to say he's done a good job all things considered. Defensively as a unit we have been much improved no matter who the personel in the back four is and we've now got a basis to build on

You make the point about if Mancini was a tactical genius then he'd find a formation and work with it. Well guess what he has done because under him we've been getting on average 2 points per game which is an excellent return and we're now in pole position for 4th whereas when he took over we were 6 points off Villa in 4th with a game in hand

I wasn't the greatest fan of Hughes towards the end of his time here but i come on after the Chelsea game and praised him for getting it spot on, why can't you and certain others give credit where it's due instead of making posts like 'it was only burnley'?
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If you don't mind me asking, why is it so important for you to have other people on Bluemoon post the same things as you? Wouldn't that make this place really boring. For every user who loves Mancini and thinks he's the best manager we've ever had, there will be a user who wants to be more circumspect. Those opinions are just as valid and people are entitled to air and share them. Many people have pointed out the points per game average under Mancini, so the facts are there for everyone to digest and interpret them however they choose.

The more I read threads like this (and there's been a few recently) the more I see a very unsettling trend where people like Shadygiz, myself, and De Niro are being singled out, and being asked to constantly explain why we don't "rate" Mancini, or why we're "having a pop" at him, when the truth is fair more prosaic. What it does is creates a "them" and "us" mentality which polarizes the board and ruins the Bluemoon experience...
 
BillyShears said:
Failsworth_Blue said:
Shady i have absolutely no problem with you or anyone having an opinion because afterall this is a forum where you post your thoughts but you, de niro and bluemanc just to name a few seem reluctant to give Mancini any credit and it doesn't make any sense. Can we agree that Mancini has come in and done a good job? The first few games weren't easy on the eye but he had to come in and get results and to get results he needed to sort us out defensively because the last 3 games of Hughes' reign we had conceded 3 goals in each of them. Since then we've had spells during games where we've not played well but is that any different to games under Hughes? We have also played some excellent football under Mancini especially in away games at Chelsea (Second half), Sunderland (Second half), Wolves, Fulham and Burnley despite us having an extremely one dimensional centre midfield and us missing Adebayor for most of those games

Mancini's came in and took over a side that had won just 2 of the last 11 leauge games and had no time to access his squad as he was straight into a run of games so it's fair to say he's done a good job all things considered. Defensively as a unit we have been much improved no matter who the personel in the back four is and we've now got a basis to build on

You make the point about if Mancini was a tactical genius then he'd find a formation and work with it. Well guess what he has done because under him we've been getting on average 2 points per game which is an excellent return and we're now in pole position for 4th whereas when he took over we were 6 points off Villa in 4th with a game in hand

I wasn't the greatest fan of Hughes towards the end of his time here but i come on after the Chelsea game and praised him for getting it spot on, why can't you and certain others give credit where it's due instead of making posts like 'it was only burnley'?
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If you don't mind me asking, why is it so important for you to have other people on Bluemoon post the same things as you? Wouldn't that make this place really boring. For every user who loves Mancini and thinks he's the best manager we've ever had, there will be a user who wants to be more circumspect. Those opinions are just as valid and people are entitled to air and share them. Many people have pointed out the points per game average under Mancini, so the facts are there for everyone to digest and interpret them however they choose.

The more I read threads like this (and there's been a few recently) the more I see a very unsettling trend where people like Shadygiz, myself, and De Niro are being singled out, and being asked to constantly explain why we don't "rate" Mancini, or why we're "having a pop" at him, when the truth is fair more prosaic. What it does is creates a "them" and "us" mentality which polarizes the board and ruins the Bluemoon experience...
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Great post Billy.
 
BillyShears said:
Failsworth_Blue said:
Shady i have absolutely no problem with you or anyone having an opinion because afterall this is a forum where you post your thoughts but you, de niro and bluemanc just to name a few seem reluctant to give Mancini any credit and it doesn't make any sense. Can we agree that Mancini has come in and done a good job? The first few games weren't easy on the eye but he had to come in and get results and to get results he needed to sort us out defensively because the last 3 games of Hughes' reign we had conceded 3 goals in each of them. Since then we've had spells during games where we've not played well but is that any different to games under Hughes? We have also played some excellent football under Mancini especially in away games at Chelsea (Second half), Sunderland (Second half), Wolves, Fulham and Burnley despite us having an extremely one dimensional centre midfield and us missing Adebayor for most of those games

Mancini's came in and took over a side that had won just 2 of the last 11 leauge games and had no time to access his squad as he was straight into a run of games so it's fair to say he's done a good job all things considered. Defensively as a unit we have been much improved no matter who the personel in the back four is and we've now got a basis to build on

You make the point about if Mancini was a tactical genius then he'd find a formation and work with it. Well guess what he has done because under him we've been getting on average 2 points per game which is an excellent return and we're now in pole position for 4th whereas when he took over we were 6 points off Villa in 4th with a game in hand

I wasn't the greatest fan of Hughes towards the end of his time here but i come on after the Chelsea game and praised him for getting it spot on, why can't you and certain others give credit where it's due instead of making posts like 'it was only burnley'?
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If you don't mind me asking, why is it so important for you to have other people on Bluemoon post the same things as you? Wouldn't that make this place really boring. For every user who loves Mancini and thinks he's the best manager we've ever had, there will be a user who wants to be more circumspect. Those opinions are just as valid and people are entitled to air and share them. Many people have pointed out the points per game average under Mancini, so the facts are there for everyone to digest and interpret them however they choose.

The more I read threads like this (and there's been a few recently) the more I see a very unsettling trend where people like Shadygiz, myself, and De Niro are being singled out, and being asked to constantly explain why we don't "rate" Mancini, or why we're "having a pop" at him, when the truth is fair more prosaic. What it does is creates a "them" and "us" mentality which polarizes the board and ruins the Bluemoon experience...
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Don't mind you asking at all Billy and i've never said once on here that i want someone to have the same opinion as me because we all have different opinions on near enough every subject. I don't expect Shady, De Niro to shout from the roof tops in favour of Mancini but they seem intent on giving him very little credit and in fact it was only last night bluemanc was saying Mancini has NOT improved us and i find it hard to believe someone can have that opinion and believe it

Mancini is a tactical genius is over the top of course and i expect people to come in here and disagree but comments like it's only burnley wear a bit thin if i'm being honest because it was results against 'only burnley' that cost Hughes his job. Footballs not at easy as turning up and winning, everyones got to have an input and i just don't understand certain posters reluctance to give Mancini any credit

May i add, if posters don't want to come on here and give him credit and don't post it's fine it's just when they come into a thread thats got a bit of praise for Mancini and counter if with pointless comments that i don't get
 
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