BillyShears said:Failsworth_Blue said:Shady i have absolutely no problem with you or anyone having an opinion because afterall this is a forum where you post your thoughts but you, de niro and bluemanc just to name a few seem reluctant to give Mancini any credit and it doesn't make any sense. Can we agree that Mancini has come in and done a good job? The first few games weren't easy on the eye but he had to come in and get results and to get results he needed to sort us out defensively because the last 3 games of Hughes' reign we had conceded 3 goals in each of them. Since then we've had spells during games where we've not played well but is that any different to games under Hughes? We have also played some excellent football under Mancini especially in away games at Chelsea (Second half), Sunderland (Second half), Wolves, Fulham and Burnley despite us having an extremely one dimensional centre midfield and us missing Adebayor for most of those games
Mancini's came in and took over a side that had won just 2 of the last 11 leauge games and had no time to access his squad as he was straight into a run of games so it's fair to say he's done a good job all things considered. Defensively as a unit we have been much improved no matter who the personel in the back four is and we've now got a basis to build on
You make the point about if Mancini was a tactical genius then he'd find a formation and work with it. Well guess what he has done because under him we've been getting on average 2 points per game which is an excellent return and we're now in pole position for 4th whereas when he took over we were 6 points off Villa in 4th with a game in hand
I wasn't the greatest fan of Hughes towards the end of his time here but i come on after the Chelsea game and praised him for getting it spot on, why can't you and certain others give credit where it's due instead of making posts like 'it was only burnley'?
If you don't mind me asking, why is it so important for you to have other people on Bluemoon post the same things as you? Wouldn't that make this place really boring. For every user who loves Mancini and thinks he's the best manager we've ever had, there will be a user who wants to be more circumspect. Those opinions are just as valid and people are entitled to air and share them. Many people have pointed out the points per game average under Mancini, so the facts are there for everyone to digest and interpret them however they choose.
The more I read threads like this (and there's been a few recently) the more I see a very unsettling trend where people like Shadygiz, myself, and De Niro are being singled out, and being asked to constantly explain why we don't "rate" Mancini, or why we're "having a pop" at him, when the truth is fair more prosaic. What it does is creates a "them" and "us" mentality which polarizes the board and ruins the Bluemoon experience...
BillyShears said:Would've been pointless sacking Hughes and bringing him in if we weren't going to see an upturn in results, so on that score it's good to see him doing his job well. The great job he's doing will hopefully allow him to keep it past the summer.
Rammy Blue said:Afternoon Billy,
Of course this place would be boring if we were all of the same opinion, I don't think anyone is disputing that.
Interested to know though exactly what your thoughts are on Bob today, seeing as you seem to be changing them on a daily basis....yesterday you seemed to like him (see below) yet this afternoon you "don't rate him" (see above).
BillyShears said:Would've been pointless sacking Hughes and bringing him in if we weren't going to see an upturn in results, so on that score it's good to see him doing his job well. The great job he's doing will hopefully allow him to keep it past the summer.
Which is it?
;P
TheLegendOfBerti said:well maybe if Adebayor wasn't getting himself suspended then they'd have been able to gel together earlier and we'd have seen this sooner.
It only works when Adebayor makes an effort, on saturday he could be bothered, but we all know he can be as big a lazy arse as Robinho when he feels like it.
Mancini's doing a good job, Hughes is gone, if you don't like Mancini, fine, I don't care, he's the best manager we've had in years and you can be idiots to ignore that fact. For the people who keep banging on about Hughes like sacking him ruined our season, it hasn't, we're in 4th, which was the aim all along. We wouldn't have won a cup under Hughes if we went off form and previous records against the teams we were playing in them.
I'm just sick of this "hate mancini cos we love hughes for no reason" bollocks, there's difference of opinion, and then there's wumming and absolute tosh, which is what some of these posters are posting day in, day out.
TheLegendOfBerti said:well maybe if Adebayor wasn't getting himself suspended then they'd have been able to gel together earlier and we'd have seen this sooner.
It only works when Adebayor makes an effort, on saturday he could be bothered, but we all know he can be as big a lazy arse as Robinho when he feels like it.
Mancini's doing a good job, Hughes is gone, if you don't like Mancini, fine, I don't care, he's the best manager we've had in years and you can be idiots to ignore that fact. For the people who keep banging on about Hughes like sacking him ruined our season, it hasn't, we're in 4th, which was the aim all along. We wouldn't have won a cup under Hughes if we went off form and previous records against the teams we were playing in them.
I'm just sick of this "hate mancini cos we love hughes for no reason" bollocks, there's difference of opinion, and then there's wumming and absolute tosh, which is what some of these posters are posting day in, day out.
moomba said:Interesting thread.
I can't work out why people are so reluctant to give Mancini any credit for the gains made so far. Not sure what they expected from him, but our results under his management have really dragged us back into the top 4 race
That'll do for me so far.
I think he works best when he's the main central striker. The role at Burnley suited him, and he has had some training and 1st team game to get his sharpness and we saw the results.Tricky_Trev said:I am really really sad, and have downloaded the full 90 mins onto my PC and watched it a couple of times. OK, OK... don't bully me! I confess to being sad! But the point i want to make is that Adebayor's movement was absolutely amazing against Burnley. If he could do this every game, we potentially have the best strike partnership in the league. The problem however, is that he's not like that every game. I don't understand why one game he can't be arsed moving, then the next he can be everywhere. In the Burnley game, Tevez was the trigger. Bellers, Ade and Johnson would be just jogging around, sticking to the team shape. Then Tevez drops into the hole, gets the ball, and BOOM! All three of them run like blue-arsed flies, Tevez turns, runs at the defense, and it's a back 4's worst nightmare becoming reality. It was amazing to see. Against Birmingham though, Teve will not have anywhere near as much room in the hole, and will surely be man-marked (not sure why Burnley didn't man-mark him), so it's important that Ade still shows good movement even when Tevez isn't getting all the ball as much. It's alright using Tevez as a trigger, but we must make sure we are still inventive and up for it when he's having a relatively quiet game.
BillyShears said:moomba said:Interesting thread.
I can't work out why people are so reluctant to give Mancini any credit for the gains made so far. Not sure what they expected from him, but our results under his management have really dragged us back into the top 4 race
That'll do for me so far.
We were still well in the race for the top 4 when Hughes was sacked, and the gains made by Mancini and the improvement statistically in the points he has picked up, has masked what some of us felt were some very under par performances.
You've said a few times that points are all that matter, and you're right. But it doesn't automatically equate that we can't discuss, criticize, praise, the performances as well as the points picked up.
On a broader note, I've not seen any difference in the way opinions are falling about Mancini to any other manager who we've employed in recent years, with the exception of Hughes, who was vilified from the day he joined the club...
BillyShears said:moomba said:Interesting thread.
I can't work out why people are so reluctant to give Mancini any credit for the gains made so far. Not sure what they expected from him, but our results under his management have really dragged us back into the top 4 race
That'll do for me so far.
We were still well in the race for the top 4 when Hughes was sacked, and the gains made by Mancini and the improvement statistically in the points he has picked up, has masked what some of us felt were some very under par performances.
You've said a few times that points are all that matter, and you're right. But it doesn't automatically equate that we can't discuss, criticize, praise, the performances as well as the points picked up.
On a broader note, I've not seen any difference in the way opinions are falling about Mancini to any other manager who we've employed in recent years, with the exception of Hughes, who was vilified from the day he joined the club...
bluefandk said:TheLegendOfBerti said:well maybe if Adebayor wasn't getting himself suspended then they'd have been able to gel together earlier and we'd have seen this sooner.
It only works when Adebayor makes an effort, on saturday he could be bothered, but we all know he can be as big a lazy arse as Robinho when he feels like it.
Mancini's doing a good job, Hughes is gone, if you don't like Mancini, fine, I don't care, he's the best manager we've had in years and you can be idiots to ignore that fact. For the people who keep banging on about Hughes like sacking him ruined our season, it hasn't, we're in 4th, which was the aim all along. We wouldn't have won a cup under Hughes if we went off form and previous records against the teams we were playing in them.
I'm just sick of this "hate mancini cos we love hughes for no reason" bollocks, there's difference of opinion, and then there's wumming and absolute tosh, which is what some of these posters are posting day in, day out.
The Hughes is God brigade are gonna crucify you for that post, personally i tend to agree.
Rammy Blue said:In the 10 games leading upto, and including, the Spurs defeat which sealed Clueless' fate we were W1 D8 L1 which were hardly littered with inspiring performances.
Bob has plugged the gaps and always knew he had 21 league games in order to get us to 70 points, no prizes for how he gets the points, just get them.
He has learnt a huge amount about his squad over the last 3 months/15 games and now we go into the "final straight" in pole position.
Regardless of the odd poor performance I think Bob has performed nothing short of miracles and as such I get very emotive when people single out the said poor performances as a way of criticising OUR manager.
BillyShears said:Rammy Blue said:In the 10 games leading upto, and including, the Spurs defeat which sealed Clueless' fate we were W1 D8 L1 which were hardly littered with inspiring performances.
I don't recall us being miles behind 4th place when Hughes was sacked, so the stat above is skewed to suit your own argument. Which seems kind of pointless.
Bob has plugged the gaps and always knew he had 21 league games in order to get us to 70 points, no prizes for how he gets the points, just get them.
Yes, and as I said, that doesn't preclude us from having opinions on the performances themselves.
He has learnt a huge amount about his squad over the last 3 months/15 games and now we go into the "final straight" in pole position.
I don't think Mancini has learned anymore than any other new manager would, taking over at a club mid-season. You're right though, we go into the final straight in pole position, which is all that matters right now.
Regardless of the odd poor performance I think Bob has performed nothing short of miracles and as such I get very emotive when people single out the said poor performances as a way of criticising OUR manager.
OUR manager, no matter who he is, will always get criticism. That's why places like Bluemoon exist. No point in getting so emotive that you need to run around putting words into other peoples mouths, and trying to paint them out to be something they aren't.
Rammy Blue said:BillyShears said:We were still well in the race for the top 4 when Hughes was sacked, and the gains made by Mancini and the improvement statistically in the points he has picked up, has masked what some of us felt were some very under par performances.
You've said a few times that points are all that matter, and you're right. But it doesn't automatically equate that we can't discuss, criticize, praise, the performances as well as the points picked up.
On a broader note, I've not seen any difference in the way opinions are falling about Mancini to any other manager who we've employed in recent years, with the exception of Hughes, who was vilified from the day he joined the club...
In the 10 games leading upto, and including, the Spurs defeat which sealed Clueless' fate we were W1 D8 L1 which were hardly littered with inspiring performances.
Bob has plugged the gaps and always knew he had 21 league games in order to get us to 70 points, no prizes for how he gets the points, just get them.
He has learnt a huge amount about his squad over the last 3 months/15 games and now we go into the "final straight" in pole position.
Regardless of the odd poor performance I think Bob has performed nothing short of miracles and as such I get very emotive when people single out the said poor performances as a way of criticising OUR manager.
Rammy Blue said:lol, love it when you resort to dissecting comments, it makes you look really smart.....
leewill31 said:Rammy Blue said:In the 10 games leading upto, and including, the Spurs defeat which sealed Clueless' fate we were W1 D8 L1 which were hardly littered with inspiring performances.
Bob has plugged the gaps and always knew he had 21 league games in order to get us to 70 points, no prizes for how he gets the points, just get them.
He has learnt a huge amount about his squad over the last 3 months/15 games and now we go into the "final straight" in pole position.
Regardless of the odd poor performance I think Bob has performed nothing short of miracles and as such I get very emotive when people single out the said poor performances as a way of criticising OUR manager.
miracles is slightly ott rammy and on the criticising our manager bit pot kettle black comes to mind!
de niro said:Soulboy said:Anyone else think that Mancini pulled off a tactically genius bit of innovation at Burnley by dropping Tevez into a more midfield role, playing Adebayor as an out and out target man, and letting Carlos run at them from deep?
The Clarets couldn't cope with it and we might very well have scored double figures if it hadn't have pissed down!
Oh, and Vieira... imperious, majestic, outstanding.
a genius would have played that way from day one instead of a 6 man defence against hull.
Bigga said:de niro said:do you think i enjoyed traipsing round the country to see abject dispays and team formations?
its called being honest, bob has took too long (for a genius) to sort this out in my eyes.
the rest of the prem must have been rubbing their hands to play us while bob found his brain.
if want me to ignore the bullshit posted on here you are going to be very dissapointed.
I'm a bit shocked, Bill, to be honest that you harbour such views about Mancini!
Let's be honest, there have been many factors leading to this point.
Firstly, it's not Mancini's squad. A fact that he has wringed his hands about, unlike someone else we all know, and has not bleated on about needing to buy players that will 'play for him'. He's got on with it. Which is even more a sleight on the last man.
Secondly, when a squad is not yours, it takes time to work out who is best where, even if it seems obvious to the brilliant managers on this board. Players may show things in training that is tried out on match day, position-wise. Bob has to trial and error to take this into account.
Thirdly, the comments about Tevez playing as a deep lying striker would be fair game... IF we'd have had the correct strikers to work off all season. Mancini has not had Ade nor Roque for a consistent amount of time for this to bear fruit.
So, please, all you Ankle Biters, please think before you post.