Terrorist attack on asylum centre

Taken from an Interview with someone who has worked For the Border Force for 15yrs.

“Border Force is simply running a collection service in the English Channel, bringing migrants safely ashore to the overcrowded Manston migrant processing centre in Kent.
Some 12,000 of those who have crossed the Channel this year are from Albania — a country which wants to join the EU — up from just 50 in 2020. All but 2,000 of them were young men.
Border Force’s Dan O’Mahoney said recently that the figure represents up to two per cent of Albania’s male population aged 18 to 40.
O’Mahoney admitted that a huge number were “deliberately gaming the system”.
Albanians have learned they can remain in the UK by using the Modern Slavery Act, introduced by then Home Secretary Theresa May in 2015”

His answer to the problem is…..

“Hire a non British-flagged liner and position it in a part of the English Channel, which is international waters. Instead of taking migrants ashore at Dover they would be taken to the liner, which would have decent facilities. And — not having set foot in Britain — they would be unable to claim asylum. You then process them and find out who they are”
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
“Hire a non British-flagged liner and position it in a part of the English Channel, which is international waters. Instead of taking migrants ashore at Dover they would be taken to the liner, which would have decent facilities. And — not having set foot in Britain — they would be unable to claim asylum. You then process them and find out who they are”
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The only issue with that is a liner has a capacity for what 3000 - 3500 passengers on average? You would still need to process them through at the speed Manston is supposed to do and I wonder how much the hire cost would be?

Also is it wise to park a vessel in what we are often told are the busiest shipping lanes in the world? This chap seems to be proposing stopping in the outside lane of a busy motorway in which case I'd view Manston as something akin to a service station and thus a much safer option?
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Taken from an Interview with someone who has worked For the Border Force for 15yrs.

“Border Force is simply running a collection service in the English Channel, bringing migrants safely ashore to the overcrowded Manston migrant processing centre in Kent.
Some 12,000 of those who have crossed the Channel this year are from Albania — a country which wants to join the EU — up from just 50 in 2020. All but 2,000 of them were young men.
Border Force’s Dan O’Mahoney said recently that the figure represents up to two per cent of Albania’s male population aged 18 to 40.
O’Mahoney admitted that a huge number were “deliberately gaming the system”.
Albanians have learned they can remain in the UK by using the Modern Slavery Act, introduced by then Home Secretary Theresa May in 2015”

His answer to the problem is…..

“Hire a non British-flagged liner and position it in a part of the English Channel, which is international waters. Instead of taking migrants ashore at Dover they would be taken to the liner, which would have decent facilities. And — not having set foot in Britain — they would be unable to claim asylum. You then process them and find out who they are”
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Which part of the English Channel is classed as international waters?
 
bluethrunthru said:
The only issue with that is a liner has a capacity for what 3000 - 3500 passengers on average? You would still need to process them through at the speed Manston is supposed to do and I wonder how much the hire cost would be?

Also is it wise to park a vessel in what we are often told are the busiest shipping lanes in the world? This chap seems to be proposing stopping in the outside lane of a busy motorway in which case I'd view Manston as something akin to a service station and thus a much safer option?
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Havent got a clue my friend.
After reading this thread and realising the French are not very good and stopping this,i just thought i’d post this interview with someone who works for the border force.
You have good points though, back to square one unfortunately
 
bluesmith said:
Which part of the English Channel is classed as international waters?
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Googled it :
The narrowest part of the Channel, the Dover Strait, is just 21 miles and consists of British and French territorial waters. In other parts of the Channel, international waters separate UK and French territorial waters. Search and rescue zones have been divided between the two countries.
 
Gray said:
It is getting bloody ridiculous the amount of people crossing the channel illegally.

Something needs doing ASAP, trouble is what?
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Nothing can be done given current Govt policy. The crossings are not illegal, we cannot send them back to France, we are legally obliged to hear and process their asylum claims. Most claims are accepted.

From the refugee perspective the channel crossing is a risk they take to have their applications heard and the chances of that application being successful are very high. This reasoning means the numbers will keep increasing.
 
waspish said:
Would putting these processing places in grand stop the dingy’s? Me personally I think very unlikely! You get on a dingy don’t phone the life boats get to our beaches then run off. That’s what some reports have said now! You got to be seen to see the People in dingys going straight back to France if we do put these processing places in France or it be a waste of time
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Putting these processes in place would separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to genuine refugees vs 25 year old Albanians looking to work illegally.
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Taken from an Interview with someone who has worked For the Border Force for 15yrs.

“Border Force is simply running a collection service in the English Channel, bringing migrants safely ashore to the overcrowded Manston migrant processing centre in Kent.
Some 12,000 of those who have crossed the Channel this year are from Albania — a country which wants to join the EU — up from just 50 in 2020. All but 2,000 of them were young men.
Border Force’s Dan O’Mahoney said recently that the figure represents up to two per cent of Albania’s male population aged 18 to 40.
O’Mahoney admitted that a huge number were “deliberately gaming the system”.
Albanians have learned they can remain in the UK by using the Modern Slavery Act, introduced by then Home Secretary Theresa May in 2015”

His answer to the problem is…..

“Hire a non British-flagged liner and position it in a part of the English Channel, which is international waters. Instead of taking migrants ashore at Dover they would be taken to the liner, which would have decent facilities. And — not having set foot in Britain — they would be unable to claim asylum. You then process them and find out who they are”
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You mean kidnap them and hold them prisoner where they have no recourse or protection under UK law, or any law for that matter?

What could possibly go wrong.
 
The problem at the root is that we have a large black economy, with cash-in-hand payments and no ID cards. This makes the UK very attractive to low-skilled immigrants.

This is a giant elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. Possibly because many Tories don't want ID cards and are quite fond of cash-in-hand and dodging tax.
 
BrianW said:
The problem at the root is that we have a large black economy, with cash-in-hand payments and no ID cards. This makes the UK very attractive to low-skilled immigrants.

This is a giant elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. Possibly because many Tories don't want ID cards and are quite fond of cash-in-hand and dodging tax.
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I remember how they squealed when Labour tried to do it in 2005/06
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Taken from an Interview with someone who has worked For the Border Force for 15yrs.

“Border Force is simply running a collection service in the English Channel, bringing migrants safely ashore to the overcrowded Manston migrant processing centre in Kent.
Some 12,000 of those who have crossed the Channel this year are from Albania — a country which wants to join the EU — up from just 50 in 2020. All but 2,000 of them were young men.
Border Force’s Dan O’Mahoney said recently that the figure represents up to two per cent of Albania’s male population aged 18 to 40.
O’Mahoney admitted that a huge number were “deliberately gaming the system”.
Albanians have learned they can remain in the UK by using the Modern Slavery Act, introduced by then Home Secretary Theresa May in 2015”

His answer to the problem is…..

“Hire a non British-flagged liner and position it in a part of the English Channel, which is international waters. Instead of taking migrants ashore at Dover they would be taken to the liner, which would have decent facilities. And — not having set foot in Britain — they would be unable to claim asylum. You then process them and find out who they are”
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good shout. it could sail straight to Rwanda .
 
BobKowalski said:
You mean kidnap them and hold them prisoner where they have no recourse or protection under UK law, or any law for that matter?

What could possibly go wrong.
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Exactly.


Even if what he says fit through a legal loophole, it doesn't, the UK would be in effective control of the ship. It is bloody stupid and amounts to international terrorism.

These cranks are happy to debase and degrade our own laws and living conditions so they can "win" against the "hordes of invaders". Disgusting people.
 
BobKowalski said:
Nothing can be done given current Govt policy. The crossings are not illegal, we cannot send them back to France, we are legally obliged to hear and process their asylum claims. Most claims are accepted.

From the refugee perspective the channel crossing is a risk they take to have their applications heard and the chances of that application being successful are very high. This reasoning means the numbers will keep increasing.
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Most claims are accepted because of the shear fact that they're here after crossing. If we put up a border post in France then it'll become different as those people are not here and so their case weakens.... So either way as it stands they'd still attempt the crossing regardless.

Other countries in Europe take people according to arrivals and that's dominated completely by Germany. The reason for that though is anyone can literally walk into Germany and claim asylum. The issue here is unlike elsewhere there are 30 miles of water between the UK and continental Europe.

We could make it easier for cases to be accepted if you're not in the country, for example in Calais but what criteria do you attach to that and who is going to pay for and control everything for processing because the French certainly won't?

If someone turns up to a UK border post in Calais with no passport, no background and we have no idea who they are then do you just accept their word and provide housing, food, healthcare and transport to the UK? The fact you cannot reject or send these type of people back once here is why they make the crossing.
 
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