Terry racism trial, this is going to get nasty

[Blue Hefner]

Yes, it does. Context is everything when dealing with potentially racist language.

Not sure who alerted the authorities, to be honest. But as the conversation involved Anton Ferdinand, his views on the matter are obviously important.

My understanding, I'm by no means legal so feel free to correct me is a member of the public complained after JT called Af 'a fucking black ****'. Now what difference does it make to that member of the pubic who took offence the context of the conversation/shouting match between AF and JT????

He used that language, people got offended, he's guilty as far as I'm concerned

Blimey if that proves guilt than most of the population is in trouble

Not really. If I got overheard at work saying 'black ****' I would be suspended straight away, the context wouldn't come into it. If I 'jokingly' called my g'friend a 'black ****' she'd leave me! Context is a cop out, if he isn't aware of his surroundings or that people may be offended by what he says then that's his own fault. You cannot blame people for being offended when they have gone to watch a football match and hear him shouting obscenities towards other people

 

[Dubai Blue]

My understanding, I'm by no means legal so feel free to correct me is a member of the public complained after JT called Af 'a fucking black ****'. Now what difference does it make to that member of the pubic who took offence the context of the conversation/shouting match between AF and JT????

He used that language, people got offended, he's guilty as far as I'm concerned

Blimey if that proves guilt than most of the population is in trouble

Not really. If I got overheard at work saying 'black ****' I would be suspended straight away, the context wouldn't come into it. If I 'jokingly' called my g'friend a 'black ****' she'd leave me! Context is a cop out, if he isn't aware of his surroundings or that people may be offended by what he says then that's his own fault. You cannot blame people for being offended when they have gone to watch a football match and hear him shouting obscenities towards other people

I've already shown you how you could potentially use racist language without it actually being racist. I don't understand how you can continue to say context doesn't matter; context is absolutely everything in a case like this.

And nobody heard him shouting racist obscenities at anyone.

 

[The_mace]

My understanding, I'm by no means legal so feel free to correct me is a member of the public complained after JT called Af 'a fucking black ****'. Now what difference does it make to that member of the pubic who took offence the context of the conversation/shouting match between AF and JT????

He used that language, people got offended, he's guilty as far as I'm concerned

Blimey if that proves guilt than most of the population is in trouble

Not really. If I got overheard at work saying 'black ****' I would be suspended straight away, the context wouldn't come into it. If I 'jokingly' called my g'friend a 'black ****' she'd leave me! Context is a cop out, if he isn't aware of his surroundings or that people may be offended by what he says then that's his own fault. You cannot blame people for being offended when they have gone to watch a football match and hear him shouting obscenities towards other people

Context is relevant, I call my team-mates cnuts all day long when I play sport. It's a badge of honour most of the time, however I wouldn't call an opposition player a cnut, unless he did something really out of order.

Ultimately Terry is susposed to be a responsible role model (What a joke) and shouldn't be using racial slurs. Call Anton a ****, he is. But it is unacceptable to bring race/religion/sexuality whatever into it.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Blimey if that proves guilt than most of the population is in trouble

Not really. If I got overheard at work saying 'black ****' I would be suspended straight away, the context wouldn't come into it. If I 'jokingly' called my g'friend a 'black ****' she'd leave me! Context is a cop out, if he isn't aware of his surroundings or that people may be offended by what he says then that's his own fault. You cannot blame people for being offended when they have gone to watch a football match and hear him shouting obscenities towards other people

I've already shown you how you could potentially say something racist without it actually being racist. I don't understand how you can continue to say context doesn't matter; context is absolutely everything in a case like this.

And nobody heard him shouting racist obscenities at anyone.

Pretty much all this as my reply as well

 

[twinkletoes]

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

It's not what you say it's how you say it.

Good lord we agree on something

 

[KPXBLN]

It's not what you say it's how you say it.

Let's call the whole thing off

 

[Blue Hefner]

Without getting bogged down with hypothetical examples, my opinion is quite straightforward.

JT should not be using that sort of language on a football pitch, end of story. I don't care about context and I don't care about heat of the moment, he's a grown man and if he can't control himself then that's his problem and if he cant wait til half/full-time to put the record straight then again he only has himself to blame

 

[Sigh]

It's not what you say it's how you say it.

Agreed: take it easy, then your jive will swing.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Without getting bogged down with hypothetical examples, my opinion is quite straightforward.

JT should not be using that sort of language on a football pitch, end of story. I don't care about context and I don't care about heat of the moment, he's a grown man and if he can't control himself then that's his problem and if he cant wait til half/full-time to put the record straight then again he only has himself to blame

That's not what you originally said though is it. Its more clear now. The grown man argument is a flawed one as nearly all football players to something stupid on the football pitch. You are calling him a racist also before he has been judged to be guilty or not